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i got a $50 gift card for petsmart for christmas and want to use it towards a canister filter for my new 30 gallon. i wanted to get an eheim ecco 2234 but $130 seems a bit overpriced from what i've been hearing. they also still carry the classics online ($106 for the 2215 + $6 shipping). what do you guys think?
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Many people may recommend the 2215 or 2217. Others might recommend the 2234 or 2236.

If you decide on one of the Classic models, you can use Eheim's Installation Set 1 for easier priming. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...fm?pcatid=9606

See picture H1 on page 3/38 to see how it is done.
http://eheim.com/base/eheim/pdf/en/a...17_classic.pdf



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i got a $50 gift card for petsmart for christmas and want to use it towards a canister filter for my new 30 gallon. i wanted to get an eheim ecco 2234 but $130 seems a bit overpriced from what i've been hearing. they also still carry the classics online ($106 for the 2215 + $6 shipping). what do you guys think?
2215 but personally, I'd go for a 2217. But 2215 should be okay I guess.

I do most of my shopping online, but online shopping isn't always cheaper.
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you don't think the 2217 has too much flow? it says it has a 1264gph pump and is rated at 209gph. i will have it a foot or 2 under the tank. so will turn it a little over 6x an hour? that actually sounds good, i think, if my math is right.
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I don't think the 2217 will have too much flow, perhaps in the very beginning, but a month after cleaning I measure only about 120 GPH straight out of my 2217.

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you don't think the 2217 has too much flow? it says it has a 1264gph pump and is rated at 209gph. i will have it a foot or 2 under the tank. so will turn it a little over 6x an hour? that actually sounds good, i think, if my math is right.
A lot of people are afraid of too much flow, but it really depends on how/where you position the outflow spraybar. Also, eheim comes with a valve and handle that you can use to adjust the flow a bit. Never close it all the way though, but you can lower the power significantly with it.

Once your tank gets densely planted, it becomes more essential to have enough flow in the tank, that's why that extra power is worth it imo. Canister also slows down due to the media inside and the gunk that builds up.

If you're unsure though, feel free to get the 2215. Either would be okay....np at all.

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in that case, i'll put an order in tonight but im open to all suggestions
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I just got a 2215 for my 29 gallon. Of course the previous filter on my 29 was a zoomed 501 which has 79 gph at high performance but the 2215 seems like more than enough. I actually have the flow valve at a little higher than a 45 degree angle and it's plenty as apposed to the typical 90 degree angle. I'd recommend the 2215

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my 29 started out with a 2213, I sold that when I got a 2215. The 2215 crapped out on my after 30 days. I returned it for a 2236. I prefer the 2236 to the 2215 for my 29, and for the life of me I couldnt imagine putting my 2217 on there.

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so you think the 2217 is way too much flow? from what i've been seeing, i'll be safe with a 2215. i would love to get a 2236 but they cost $160, where the 2215 is $106 + $6 shipping. do you think its worth the extra $48? i still have to buy substrate ($75), lighting ($75), and pressurized co2 (still planning that one out, but you know how much that can be). and thats just for the initial setup. thinking about costs makes me lean towards the 2215. are the 2215's known to die out like that? i've heard one other person say that.
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IMO a 2217 would be too much flow for a 29. If you are asking me if the 2236 is worth $50 more than the 2215, I would say no.

I have been using Eheim canisters for a very long time (decades) and this is the first one I have ever owned that took a dump.

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IMO a 2217 would be too much flow for a 29. If you are asking me if the 2236 is worth $50 more than the 2215, I would say no.

I have been using Eheim canisters for a very long time (decades) and this is the first one I have ever owned that took a dump.
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so you think the 2217 is way too much flow? from what i've been seeing, i'll be safe with a 2215
Just get a classic 2215 like fshfanatic said if you're afraid that the 2217 is too much. If its not enough flow later, just add a small powerhead, no problem at all. You definately won't go wrong with a 2215.

However, if you plan to add an inline CO2 reactor later on, then I'd definately go for a 2217. Just remember though, you can turn down the power of the 2217 a bit. Happy shopping!
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well, i'm definately planning on running pressurized co2. i was originally planning on running DIY co2 but after reading a lot on this site, i think i'm going pressurized. i'm still just starting to learn about pressurized so i dont know a lot. does the reactor fit onto the output line after the canister? and does that slow the flow significantly? with my DIY setup, i was just going to use the canister as the reactor. thanks for all the help!
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well, i'm definately planning on running pressurized co2. i was originally planning on running DIY co2 but after reading a lot on this site, i think i'm going pressurized. i'm still just starting to learn about pressurized so i dont know a lot. does the reactor fit onto the output line after the canister? and does that slow the flow significantly? with my DIY setup, i was just going to use the canister as the reactor. thanks for all the help!
Don't get me wrong, there are some gorgeous DIY CO2 planted tanks, but you really have to watch out for fluctuations in CO2 because with DIY, its bubble rate is not as consistant as pressurized CO2. I don't like DIY CO2 because it drives me nuts with the continuous maintenance.

Here's the DIY reactor:



For a 2215 you can maybe stick with a 16" one, the one in the picture is 19". Of course if you have a stand with a cabinet beneath it'll look at a lot neater than mines.

The inline CO2 reactor will definately lower your gph significantly. I don't know if using your canister as a diffuser is a great idea since I'm getting a lot of mix opinions on it. Some say it'll damage your canister, some say it works, but a lot of people say they rather keep their CO2 and filter systems completely seperate.

So if you get a inline reactor, I would encourage a 2217, but its your call.
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well, i'm definately planning on running pressurized co2. i was originally planning on running DIY co2 but after reading a lot on this site, i think i'm going pressurized. i'm still just starting to learn about pressurized so i dont know a lot. does the reactor fit onto the output line after the canister? and does that slow the flow significantly? with my DIY setup, i was just going to use the canister as the reactor. thanks for all the help!
In that case go with the 2217. With the reactor inline it will tone it (2217) down to the flow of a 2215.

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