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I had glass surface skimmers, and they eat small shrimp even if they don't go below the surface of the water. You can use a net or something, but that hinders the performance of the skimmer. My main reason for no longer using skimmer intakes is they are super hard to clean (where the pipe to the canister meets the vertical piece, and I had two break from trying to remove the bottom piece for cleaning as it was getting clogged. Bits of sand get in that glass on glass joint and causes it to be super weak.

I then went to a regular surface skimmer (Eheim and Azoo). Eheim came broken. Azoo was my preferred one, and I set it on a timer so the shrimp that were caught could swim out of the skimmer every few hours. As @Asteroid mentioned, it does hurt the tank aesthetically having that extra piece of machinery in there.

My favorite solution so far is just running an airstone 24/7. It allows you to really blast CO2 and minimize equipment in the tank, plus you don't have to worry about shrimp being sucked up at all.
Do you also blow through co2? It seems it keeps going up In price seems. 2 to 3x the price from a couple years ago
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Less than 2 months. Just finally starting to get some algae in my new setup.
OK, 2 months isn't that long. Just the more you take something out to clean the more likelihood of breakage. I've broken several of the regular lily pipes over the years. Did you know what the reason for the surface film was?

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Do you also blow through co2? It seems it keeps going up In price seems. 2 to 3x the price from a couple years ago
Out of curiosity, what are you paying for co2 in Cali.


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OK, 2 months isn't that long. Just the more you take something out to clean the more likelihood of breakage. I've broken several of the regular lily pipes over the years. Did you know what the reason for the surface film was?

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Out of curiosity, what are you paying for co2 in Cali.
I'm in California and go to a hydroponics store. They charge $15 to refill for 5 and 10 lb tanks alike.

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I'm in California and go to a hydroponics store. They charge $15 to refill for 5 and 10 lb tanks alike.

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It's the same price for a 5 or 10lb? I'm in New York, it's $16 for a 5 lb and I think $11 for my little 2.5 lb. Don't have a 10lb.


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It's 42 for a 20lb.

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It's the same price for a 5 or 10lb? I'm in New York, it's $16 for a 5 lb and I think $11 for my little 2.5 lb. Don't have a 10lb.
Dang I just have airgas to refill around here
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I have a 5 lb CO2 tank and it lasted about 7 months. It's about $22 bucks to refill at the place I usually go. Compared to how much I spend on plants it's one of the least expensive parts of the hobby!
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Dang I just have airgas to refill around here
Crap, that's expensive, nothing else... I go to a fire extinguisher supply store.


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It's the same price for a 5 or 10lb? I'm in New York, it's $16 for a 5 lb and I think $11 for my little 2.5 lb. Don't have a 10lb.
Yeah, it's the same price. So I just spent the money on a 10 lb tank since refills won't change price wise.

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OK, 2 months isn't that long. Just the more you take something out to clean the more likelihood of breakage. I've broken several of the regular lily pipes over the years. Did you know what the reason for the surface film was?

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Out of curiosity, what are you paying for co2 in Cali.
I use miracle grow organic raised garden bed soil, hence the surface scum.

22 dollars here in Illinois for 5 lb refill at Depke.


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Yeah, it's the same price. So I just spent the money on a 10 lb tank since refills won't change price wise.

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That's a good deal. I just realized I have an hyroponics store 15 min from my house so I want to go check it out anyway. The fire extin store is only 10 minutes.

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I use miracle grow organic raised garden bed soil, hence the surface scum.

22 dollars here in Illinois for 5 lb refill at Depke.
I guess with soil, it's more work to keep the surface clean. Lots of different prices for co2 across the country. I guess my $16 for 5lb in NY isn't that bad. Plus they give out pens and candy.
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I envy you all that live near hydroponic stores, petshops and what not. Closest hydroponic store near me is about 1 hour 20 mins West. Depke is my only option for refills.


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I envy you all that live near hydroponic stores, petshops and what not. Closest hydroponic store near me is about 1 hour 20 mins West. Depke is my only option for refills.
Yeah the airgas 20 minutes away only does exchange I gotta go an hour to the one that fill it. I like to keep my new tank
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I'm thinking of replacing my pvc spray bar with glass or stainless lily pipes. I've noticed a couple come with a surface skimmer. Does this affect co2 at all? Recently I've been having a lot of surface gunk, skimming is time consuming and not fixing the issue.
I've never had this surface scum problem till I totally did a rescape and added more driftwood.
I ordered a set as well. My understanding is that without surface scum the surface agitation will be more effective for air exchange. The upper skimmer portion is not glass it's acrylic. We'll see how easy it is the clean. The regular intake isn't that easy to clean either.
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I'm thinking of replacing my pvc spray bar with glass or stainless lily pipes. I've noticed a couple come with a surface skimmer. Does this affect co2 at all? Recently I've been having a lot of surface gunk, skimming is time consuming and not fixing the issue.
I've never had this surface scum problem till I totally did a rescape and added more driftwood.

I have been running the fluval surface skimmer on my canister filter . I have to drive co2 at higher levels and adjust skimmer daily but fish never get over co2'd and plants like oxygen at night so it keeps them happy. The surface scum reduce light intensity greatly. I usually turn up the skimming at night and reduce it in the morning.
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