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Question Which sump for a 180 gallon?

I'm planning a big tank project and I'm trying to figure out which sump would be suitable. Curious what others use and why?

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I had a 60 gallon sump under my 220. You need a big enough sump to handle the overflow from the main tank in case of a power failure.
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Are you planning on injecting CO2?

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I dont have a sump on my 180, I have 2- Fluvel FX6 filters. Works great.


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Here's the sump I'm running on my 210 right now. If you are going to run CO2, I'd stick with a design that keeps the drains under water, and also set up your overflow so that you are not sucking air. If you aren't going to run CO2, I don't see any problem running a wet dry configuration. They are quite cheap if you get one used from someone getting out of keeping reefs. The other question would be about what kind of fish you'll be keeping. If you are keeping shrimp or guppies, you can make a trip through the drain a bit safer for them.

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Yes I'm planning on CO2 and shrimp and many small fish like neons. One of my many reasons for wanting a sump is ease of maintenance and minimum equipment in the tank. I have a tank with an Aqueon pro flex and I really like how its laid out it just seemed flimsy and began to bow out on the sides

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Yes I'm planning on CO2 and shrimp and many small fish like neons. One of my many reasons for wanting a sump is ease of maintenance and minimum equipment in the tank. I have a tank with an Aqueon pro flex and I really like how its laid out it just seemed flimsy and began to bow out on the sides
The zeroedge sump that I showed a picture of above would be ok with a Herbie or Bean Animal overflow. The filter sock costs me endlers/guppies at about 1 per day. I have the megaflow overflows that I replumbed in a Herbie configuration. I have also ran a sump that basically was just a big refugium with a return pump behind a mattenfilter. Makes it more survivable for the fish that take the ride.

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So I am going to use a Fiji Cube Low Profile External Overflow Box (Bean Animal Style) so I should be able to prevent shrimp, snails and fish from going down the overflow with medium PPI sponge, because I really like filter socks for ease of maintenance. I also want the sump to be as big as possible to increase the total system volume. I have herd of planted tank sump users sealing the sump to slow CO2 loss so perhaps one that is easy to seal would be nice. Many of the sumps that I have looked seem to be way more oriented toward marine reefs with probe holders and such. I am more asking others what manufactures make good quality sumps that don't necessarily have too many bells and whistles. Oh and thanks for everyone's input.

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I have herd of planted tank sump users sealing the sump to slow CO2 loss so perhaps one that is easy to seal would be nice. Many of the sumps that I have looked seem to be way more oriented toward marine reefs with probe holders and such. I am more asking others what manufactures make good quality sumps that don't necessarily have too many bells and whistles. Oh and thanks for everyone's input.
If you are looking for a simple sump just buy an acrylic aquarium, silicone in a couple partitions and buy an accessory filter bag holder that will attach.
I read the same thing about sealing the sump when I started but quickly realized its not possible due to cords and plumbing. Here is what I did instead and it works great; off gassing has not been an issue.






What you see is a 7" filter bag and a 7" pyrex lid, which fit together perfectly. And the end if my drain line which contains some plastic batting and a reducer fitting to help catch some bubbles. Also the standard 100 or 200 micron bags aren't fine enough, I started buying the 10 micron bags you can find on amazon. As a result my sump stays a lot cleaner, my tank is clearer, and I assume less co2 diffusion through the bag.

Another option: Google " wet sump swiss tropicals" for a diagram of a simple sump using Poret foam.
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The wet sump was kind of what I was referring to, but I like to have a larger refugium area before the pump to act as a settling area for detritus.

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If you are looking for a simple sump just buy an acrylic aquarium, silicone in a couple partitions and buy an accessory filter bag holder that will attach.
I read the same thing about sealing the sump when I started but quickly realized its not possible due to cords and plumbing. Here is what I did instead and it works great; off gassing has not been an issue.






What you see is a 7" filter bag and a 7" pyrex lid, which fit together perfectly. And the end if my drain line which contains some plastic batting and a reducer fitting to help catch some bubbles. Also the standard 100 or 200 micron bags aren't fine enough, I started buying the 10 micron bags you can find on amazon. As a result my sump stays a lot cleaner, my tank is clearer, and I assume less co2 diffusion through the bag.

Another option: Google " wet sump swiss tropicals" for a diagram of a simple sump using Poret foam.
So how dose the pyrex lid and the 90 degree fitting and the reducer and the batting help conserve CO2?

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So how dose the pyrex lid and the 90 degree fitting and the reducer and the batting help conserve CO2?
Have you seen the volume of bubbles in a sump if you don't use some type of filter material to minimize them? That's the off-gassing you're trying to prevent. Its more air- tight than trying to seal a sump, which is not practical. The reducer and batting just help trap more bubbles and slow the flow and reduce the noise from the rush of water draining into the sump.
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Carbon dioxide is the densest of atmospheric gases, so you don't actually need to completely seal a sump to keep CO2 above the water. It's not like you are really going to be able to seal it to the point of pressurizing it anyway. Just think about the gas blanket that forms I've dry ice in a container (there is a temp difference there too, but it illustrates the point).

Unless the sump is a wet dry, you should probably be more worried about the overflow causing off-gassing.

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Thank you for your help. I have a better idea of what I ma looking for now. I'm just trying to do as much research as possible to avoid a stupid purchase which is so easy to do in this hobby.

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Poret foam

MBoley I am going to bite on this: "Another option: Google " wet sump swiss tropicals" for a diagram of a simple sump using Poret foam."

I went to the website. Have you or anyone else reading this used this foam? I am always looking for a better mouse trap. If this is better than the 30 other filter foams available on Amazon I would be interested in hearing from you. I am presently using this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 as the pre-filter for my down flow wet dry filter over bio-balls and am quite pleased with it.

I did not originally respond to this string because my sump and tank are all custom made by a shop near me in Vancouver Washington. I have only one tank and it is running well with large fish and 30" plants. Completely different animal than a tank with small fish.

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Tank is 165 show mounted in the wall. Sump is ~45 gal wet dry and sized to take the overflow in a power outage. It has overflow plumbing to a drain if something unexpected happens. Note my overflows are setup as refugiums with snails and Amano shrimp and plants that suck up nutrients. Front tank has large fish and large plants in 30" tall tank which is a bitch to dive into and clean. Cleanup crew in the tank are Siamese algae eater and a fleet of garra and fancy plecos. Controls are Apex and Current. CO2 is by CO2ART. Refugiums have coarse sponge intakes to reduce trumpet snails and leaves going into the sump.
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