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Issue with CO2 Art regulator... please HELP!!

Okay, so I purchased a CO2 Art regular back in July due to the rave reviews. Mind you this is my first time with a CO2 setup. But I have a 75g and I run the CO2 at 4 bubbles per second at around 30psi. My first question is how long should a 5lbs CO2 tank last at this?

Now 2 months ago I noticed that the CO2 was dropping a lot faster than normal. On the gauge it was dropping maybe 1-2 notches a week. Iíve sprayed the crap out of it and the CO2 tank with soapy water and canít find any source of a leak. I installed a permaseal on the tank and that hasnít helped. Just recently I also bought an inline diffuser from CO2 Art which when I installed I noticed hissing. Someone on a forum told me that was normal as it is just the CO2 diffusing through the ceramic. So of course I email support about all my issues and Iíve been going back and forth with them for over a month now doing SEVERAL steps and they are convinced itís not my regulator, but that itís the diffuser. So now they are sending me a new ceramic piece to stop the hissing cuz they think itís not normal. The few people I did talk to said it sounds like the regulator has a slow leak somewhere, but I canít seem to convince CO2 Art of that.

So my next question is does anybody out there have these products and had similar issues? To me it seems like they are being difficult with sending me a replacement regulator. What am I to do?


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I'll be interested to hear some of the responses you get. I'll be setting up a pro se co2 art over the holidays(already have it it's just a 'gift' for Christmas so have to wait). I will be running it with their inline diffuser too. And while I obviously have no experience with this setup yet I have used compressed gases plenty for metal work. Ime a leaky fitting or regulator has always shown itself with soapy water so maybe revisit that if you get no other suggestions. If gas is escaping it's gonna make bubbles.

Could I ask how long you were and are now currently getting out of a 5lb bottle at 4bps?
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I'll be interested to hear some of the responses you get. I'll be setting up a pro se co2 art over the holidays(already have it it's just a 'gift' for Christmas so have to wait). I will be running it with their inline diffuser too. And while I obviously have no experience with this setup yet I have used compressed gases plenty for metal work. Ime a leaky fitting or regulator has always shown itself with soapy water so maybe revisit that if you get no other suggestions. If gas is escaping it's gonna make bubbles.



Could I ask how long you were and are now currently getting out of a 5lb bottle at 4bps?


I first filled the tank in late July. Always have ran it at 3-4 bubbles per second. It seemed very steady for the first few months and the notch barely moved at all. Then suddenly it started to drop a lot faster for no reason. The tank is almost empty now, so I havenít had to refill it yet.


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I have read that co2 shows full and moves very slowly off of full until it gets towards the end where it will drop(on the gauge) more rapidly. Hopefully an experienced user can confirm this. So possibly it's normal what you've experienced?
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I have read that co2 shows full and moves very slowly off of full until it gets towards the end where it will drop(on the gauge) more rapidly. Hopefully an experienced user can confirm this. So possibly it's normal what you've experienced?


I suppose this is definitely possible! And I have thought about that. Maybe someone can answer this for me. Though I would think if CO2 Art would have answered this...


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Yes seems like something they would know or pick up on. I'm sure someone will come along to set us straight soon enough. Sorry I'm not more help, was really just curious about the issue and the life expectancy of a five lb bottle as that's what I have too. But I'll be only running it on a 45g so seems I can expect a good long service interval out of a bottle though.

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I suppose this is definitely possible! And I have thought about that. Maybe someone can answer this for me. Though I would think if CO2 Art would have answered this...


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CO2 is put in the tank in liquid form.
As you remove gas more goes from liquid to gas.
Keeps pressure relatively constant though gauge will vary by tank temperature ..a bit..


When all the liquid is gone (converted to gas) as you remove that the gauge will FINALLY start to drop.
Faster you remove the last bit, faster the gauge drops..
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Can confirm this behavior. I also have a C02 Art regulator. When it starts creeping towards the red zone keep and eye on it the tank will soon need to be changed. Perfectly normal.
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I have a CO2 Art regulator and inline diffused. I've not had any issues yet.
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I am also in airguns such as pcp's which have gauges. The pressure remains pretty constant and then suddenly drops right at the end. The gauges don't really show well how full a tank is.
The best and only true way to measure how much is left is to weigh the tank empty and then full tank so you can get the differential. In aquariums end of tank dump occurs and can be deadly for aquariums. NEVER wait until it's almost empty , refill when you see gauge start to drop or sooner (than later) to avoid it.
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I have a Co2Art regulator and it has only given me one issue, which I don't see as their fault...as in my co2 tank was full but I had zero working pressure. I had to remove a large screw from the back of the regulator and clean out the inside of the regulator by physically blowing air through it. Then it returned to perfect functionality.

It does sound to me like you have a slow leak somewhere, soapy water should have picked up on it though...if it's extremely slow, it might take some real patience of sitting there and staring at the soapy water.

I hope this helps and keep us posted.
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CO2 is put in the tank in liquid form.
As you remove gas more goes from liquid to gas.
Keeps pressure relatively constant though gauge will vary by tank temperature ..a bit..


When all the liquid is gone (converted to gas) as you remove that the gauge will FINALLY start to drop.
Faster you remove the last bit, faster the gauge drops..


Thank you for the response and explain this to me. This makes more sense as to why Iím experiencing this. I did go to get it refilled today. But one question is isnít the PSI gauge supposed to read around 1000 when full?
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Thank you for the response and explain this to me. This makes more sense as to why I’m experiencing this. I did go to get it refilled today. But one question is isn’t the PSI gauge supposed to read around 1000 when full?
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Keep in mind that when just filled tank is quite cold..
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Thank you for the response and explain this to me. This makes more sense as to why Iím experiencing this. I did go to get it refilled today. But one question is isnít the PSI gauge supposed to read around 1000 when full?
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This could be temperature related OR you indeed have a small leak somewhere.

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