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40 gallon breeder tank advice

Hello all, first post here. I'm looking for some advice on my fairly new 40 gallon breeder setup. It's been up for about one month and I've been using Excel daily and Flourish once a week. I'm running a Fluval 207 with a custom spray bar that seems to be working well and a Beamswork DA 6500K 0.50W for six hours a day with eco-complete substrate. There are 10 RCS, 4 amano shrimp, 3 SAE's and 2 cobra guppies. I'm happy with the plant growth and I'm not noticing any crazy algae issues. I'm thinking of going to pressurized co2 but I'm not sure if it will be worth it and stick to what I'm currently doing. I am also thinking of increasing the filtration with either a Aquaclear 50 or maybe another 207 if I can afford it. I want to keep it somewhat low tech and not mess with the lighting schedule as it seems to be working well so far. The last pic is about one week earlier with a few less stem plants. I'm not much of a aquascaper but I like it. Any advice on witch way to go with this would be greatly appreciated.



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It's doing very well and you like it, so I would continue with your current setup.

Flourish does not contain NP or K, so you will need to add those macros.
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It's doing very well and you like it, so I would continue with your current setup.

Flourish does not contain NP or K, so you will need to add those macros.
Thanks, that's about what I was thinking. If it isn't broke don't fix it. I did order some N, P and K fertilizers that should be here Tuesday.
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My only advice is to watch your plants very carefully over this next 2 months. The first few weeks after you introduce a plant into a tank it will be using whatever nutrients it had in its reserves. If your tank is not providing something (light, ferts, co2, whatever) then you will notice it if you are paying attention and hopefully quick enough before its too late. The leaves that are on the plants when you buy them are not very important, its the new leaves that are forming that really matter. Look at those to see if they are growing correctly etc.
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Iíd add a Aquaclear 20 powerhead top left of back wall, use itís diverter to point outflow slightly up and blowing left to right hitting front glass.

Then spraybar point it down backwall behind plants flushing water at substrate.

This will setup water rotating in tank and give you about 125gph at both front and back area of tank.

Your backwall is total deadspot of circulation as itís currently setup. Debris will just settle on back wall and build up in subtrate back there, especially after plants fill in more. Actual filter throughput of 207 is only about 120gph, you need about 2x that much circulation. Powerhead 20 will double what you currently have.
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Iíd add a Aquaclear 20 powerhead top left of back wall, use itís diverter to point outflow slightly up and blowing left to right hitting front glass.

Then spraybar point it down backwall behind plants flushing water at substrate.

This will setup water rotating in tank and give you about 125gph at both front and back area of tank.

Your backwall is total deadspot of circulation as itís currently setup. Debris will just settle on back wall and build up in subtrate back there, especially after plants fill in more. Actual filter throughput of 207 is only about 120gph, you need about 2x that much circulation. Powerhead 20 will double what you currently have.
I like your idea but would adding a Cascade 1000 be overkill? I can get one of those pretty cheap. I'd use that for the spray bar like you said and the fluval with the flow nozzle set up like the power head.
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Yes, itís 265gph so probably about 200gph actual throughput so would be great blowing down back wall.

Plus with 2 canister you can alternate cleaning bi-weekly.
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Yes, itís 265gph so probably about 200gph actual throughput so would be great blowing down back wall.

Plus with 2 canister you can alternate cleaning bi-weekly.
I ended up picking up a 2nd 207 instead of the Cascade 1000. I figured having two of the same would be better for media compatibility and I really like the 207. I have it set up like you suggested and it seems to be going good so far. I might try a 2nd spray bar on the left side instead of the nozzle because the stem plant is getting pretty whipped from the flow. I have one made up already from the 20 gallon I originally had it on and it's a perfect fit for the side. I'm just not sure what would benefit the flow more between the two. Anyway here is a pic of the new addition. Thanks again for the advice.

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Output of 207 is only 120gph, really no way that could be to high current for stem plants. Iíd turn that nozzle a bit more to right so it blows more left to right instead hitting glass straight on and making down-swell at front left.
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Hello all, first post here. I'm looking for some advice on my fairly new 40 gallon breeder setup. It's been up for about one month and I've been using Excel daily and Flourish once a week. I'm running a Fluval 207 with a custom spray bar that seems to be working well and a Beamswork DA 6500K 0.50W for six hours a day with eco-complete substrate. There are 10 RCS, 4 amano shrimp, 3 SAE's and 2 cobra guppies. I'm happy with the plant growth and I'm not noticing any crazy algae issues. I'm thinking of going to pressurized co2 but I'm not sure if it will be worth it and stick to what I'm currently doing. I am also thinking of increasing the filtration with either a Aquaclear 50 or maybe another 207 if I can afford it. I want to keep it somewhat low tech and not mess with the lighting schedule as it seems to be working well so far. The last pic is about one week earlier with a few less stem plants. I'm not much of a aquascaper but I like it. Any advice on witch way to go with this would be greatly appreciated.



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The water wisteria were emersed. You will know the wisteria plants are doing fine when wisteria developed full leaves instead of the separation between them. Also, the plants that have holes in them, I would trim them along with the plants that are developing dark spots on the leaves. I have a aquaclear 20 and aquaclear 50 with co2 in my 20 gallon.
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4 days ago. I have a aquaclear 20 and 50 with co2 in mine.
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The water wisteria were emersed. You will know the wisteria plants are doing fine when wisteria developed full leaves instead of the separation between them. Also, the plants that have holes in them, I would trim them along with the plants that are developing dark spots on the leaves. I have a aquaclear 20 and aquaclear 50 with co2 in my 20 gallon.
I will be doing a trimming on the wisteria pretty soon but I'm not sure how much to take off and I would like to replant some of it. Same with the plant with the el nino fern with brown leaves.I have to do some more research on that one because I'm not sure how to make new ones out of the new plants sprouting off the tips. looks like it's time to dig in the plant section of the forum.

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Output of 207 is only 120gph, really no way that could be to high current for stem plants. Iíd turn that nozzle a bit more to right so it blows more left to right instead hitting glass straight on and making down-swell at front left.
Yup, it's not terrible but dose need some tweaking. I'll play around with that today when I get some time.
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For the wisteria I cut when the roots begin to sprout out on the upper part of the plant. Like how that longer one in your tank is doing. You could honestly cut that one into 10 new plants. For me, it doesnt look right when you have that plant grow tall with roots sprouting down to the substrate
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Output of 207 is only 120gph, really no way that could be to high current for stem plants. I’d turn that nozzle a bit more to right so it blows more left to right instead hitting glass straight on and making down-swell at front left.
Dave where did u get those numbers by chance? I've got a 307 for a 40B and with the nozzle it was too much for the tank. With my homebrew spray bar it toned down a lot enough doesn't cause plants to get blasted or substrate to move all over.

If I pointed the spray bar down it would tear up the substrate. Figured a 207 would be perfect, two over kill. Maybe I'm just to soft on my plants and fidh


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