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amazonia and water changes?

how often should i do water changes while this stuff leaches? im just using tap water right now trying to save on the water bill but close to the end of all the leaching i will switch to pure ro. is it best to do them daily or weekly or is it just a personal thing
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I don't do any water changes and let it leech out all the ammonia it wants. My filter bacteria eventually catches up and removes it all. I usually do one water change right before adding shrimp. If you wanted to add shrimp sooner you can do more water changes to remove the ammonia faster.
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Both my tanks i have amazonia in I let it do its thing for the month before I did any water changes. Ive heard that if you mess with it while its cycling it can take alot longer and you can get higher spikes. Soooo I would let it do its full thing... Mine took 27 days for my second tank to get the ammonia spike... I was testing ever day just so I would know the answer, but ya i left my tank alone and day 31 after I added water it was ready for live stock.
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Can't you just use purigen while it's leeching as to avoid wc?

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Can't you just use purigen while it's leeching as to avoid wc?
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And wicca27, I usually do two per week. Otherwise the ammonia gets up to like 8+ppm and it actually slows down the process by quite a while.
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I don't do any water changes and let it leech out all the ammonia it wants. My filter bacteria eventually catches up and removes it all. I usually do one water change right before adding shrimp. If you wanted to add shrimp sooner you can do more water changes to remove the ammonia faster.
Same here. The ammonia that the plants don't use gets turned into no3 and then the plants use it, win/win for me.


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And wicca27, I usually do two per week. Otherwise the ammonia gets up to like 8+ppm and it actually slows down the process by quite a while.
So even with an already established bio filter. Purigen and plants it leeches out that much ammonia to the point of no return haha? But seriously why so much ammonia

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So even with an already established bio filter. Purigen and plants it leeches out that much ammonia to the point of no return haha? But seriously why so much ammonia
The ammonia is in the soil, it's supposed to be there and available for plants. But the soil hasn't been wet before, so a lot is released right at first. Think of it like a tea bag. First time you brew tea with the bag, the tea is strong with caffeine, but if you pour another cup and use the e same tea bag, the caffeine content is much lower, use it a third time and you can barely detect any caffeine at all.

Using purigen doesn't remove any ammonia, it polishes water and prevents decaying organics from becoming ammonia. At least that's how they describe it.
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thanks all i guess i will up the water changes.
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The ammonia is in the soil, it's supposed to be there and available for plants. But the soil hasn't been wet before, so a lot is released right at first. Think of it like a tea bag. First time you brew tea with the bag, the tea is strong with caffeine, but if you pour another cup and use the e same tea bag, the caffeine content is much lower, use it a third time and you can barely detect any caffeine at all.

Using purigen doesn't remove any ammonia, it polishes water and prevents decaying organics from becoming ammonia. At least that's how they describe it.
That makes sence, the tea bag explanation I like that.

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What about something like ammo chips, or ammo carb??? Not meaning to hijack this thread Wicca. But I just tore my plants and substrate out my of spec 2 and put some Amazonia in to cycle out. Just need a new light.

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I also do about 2 60% water changes a week


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no prob Subtletanks91 is you dont ask you wont know. its about the same thing any way. personally i would stick with water changes. i dont like adding anything to the tank unless i have to. ive heard ammo chips can leach once they absorb all they can so i would be leary of them any way
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Here's the thing about using ammo chips instead of doing water changes.

Ammonia isn't the only thing coming out of your aqua soil. It just happens to be the one thing that we can measure easily. Add ammo chips and sure it removes some of the ammonia, but it leaves the phosphates, leaves the biomatter, leaves the minerals, tannins, etc. Those all flood out like the ammonia in huge spikes.

But you can do whatever you feel like, I'm just giving advice
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I avoided water changes with mine because I did not want to buy RO for water changes on a tank with no shrimp in it, and I did not want to use my tap since it is liquid rock and I didn't want to burn out the buffering capacity of the soil with my tap.
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