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I recently purchased some of these to add to my shrimp tanks and have noticed some have fungus growing on them. I read that it wasn't a requirement to boil these before adding to tanks. Is this normal? Ive only added maybe 5 total to each of my 10 gallon shrimp tanks and have noticed the water changing colors. I read that it took several in a tank to get that effect. Each tank has sponge filters running. Any tips would be appreciated as I have never used these before.


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Those are root growing out of them. A few more days or so and you will see some tiny leaves attach to the roots.
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It's a blackish looking fungus in some tanks and cream colored in others. There are no visible roots or anything like that growing out of them. I removed them all last night until I figure out what the issue is.


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Silly question, but are you sure it's not beard algae?


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I only tried alder cones once when my friend gave me some to try. They stayed in my tank for over a year without anything growing on it. My question is people say that these are good for shrimp tanks for their anti-bacteria property, but isn't it ironic if fungus grow on it?
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My question is people say that these are good for shrimp tanks for their anti-bacteria property, but isn't it ironic if fungus grow on it?

The purported claim is that they are anti-fungal, since fungus sometimes attack their eggs. If they were anti-bacterial, then they could potentially interfere with the bacteria in our filters, which doesn't appear to be the case.


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I'm pretty sure it's not beard algea. Should I just boil them before adding?


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The purported claim is that they are anti-fungal, since fungus sometimes attack their eggs. If they were anti-bacterial, then they could potentially interfere with the bacteria in our filters, which doesn't appear to be the case.
I didn't come up with the claim. For example, look at this yahoo answer which says it's antibacterial and antifungal.
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I didn't come up with the claim. For example, look at this yahoo answer which says it's antibacterial and antifungal.
And I didn't mean for imply that you were the source of the claim (hence the passive voice).

I asked Tom Barr about this not long ago and no one has really demonstrated exactly what is going on when you add alder cones, peat, almond leaves, etc, but there's plenty of anecdotal observations that it's having some kind of positive effect. I personally doubt the antibacterial claim because bacterial films seem to grow on them, which RCS and other shrimp love to eat. The top voted Yahoo Answer only says that the low pH significantly affects bacteria, but that's only true under extremely low pH, less than 5.5; a handful of alder cones isn't going to lower our tanks by that much. There appears to be something to the antifungal claims, though.


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Okay so I just needed to know if the fungus was normal or not??


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Okay so I just needed to know if the fungus was normal or not??

Sorry, got carried away

+1 on needing pics. Not sure if it's fungus since one was black; fungal mycelium, which looks like very thin hairs, is white or light colored. Could be an algae. Either way, both are not desirable.


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No that's cool I was just gettin kinda confused. Pictures would be helpful but as soon as I saw the fungus I snatched them out of all 7 nano tanks. I kinda spazzed like a crazy person.


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I collect and use lots of alder cones and I've never seen anything growing on them, but I always throw them into a pot of boiling water for a few seconds before I put them in the tank. I do this with my IAL also. Do other people boil their IAL briefly?


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Okay I'll try boiling them. Does it turn your water colors?


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