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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-15-2014, 12:31 AM Thread Starter
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Help me find out why my snails/shrimps are dying

Hi,

3 of 6 my Nerita Snail are died. Two I took back to the LFS. Only 1 still alive, but not active.

2 of 3 my Bamboo Shrimps are died 2-3 days later. Only 1 is still alive and active.

Ammonia/Nitrite are always 0. No strike at all.
Nitrate - 10. Some times 20 or more (when 2 snails are died).

pH 8.2
KH from 6 to 7.
GH from 161.1 to 179.

Water temp 24.5-25.5 in general. No less that 24 and no more 26.

Substance - Eco-Complete.
Decoration - Driftwood. No stone of fake plant at all.
Real plants.
Light 20W/29 gallon, 9h a day.
1 Almond Leaf (but the problem was before it).

My supply:
Seachem Excel (I overdose it sometimes 2x, but not often).
Seachem Flourish Comprehensive
Seachem Prime
Seachem Root Tabs (8-10 for 29 gallon)
API Leaf Zone

Filter Fluval C3 with Filter Floss.

I used medication only 2 times.
No-Planaria for about 2 weeks. Snails wasn't there. After I run the carbon filter for 1-2 days and add the snails. After I run 2 carbon for 2 weeks each and add the snails and shrimps.

API General Cure when snails and shrimps was there. But at REALLY small dose with the food and only once.

Fish food:
Hikari Brine Shrimp (frozzen)
Spectrum Thera+
Sinking Wafers
Algae Wafers
TetraMin
Nutrafin Max
Omega One Freeze Dried Krill
NorthFin Premium fish food
Wardley Spirulina (oops, found cooper, but I use this food really rare).

Before died, Neritas eat the brown algue.

I acclimate them 15 min floating and 20-50 min add the water the time on time.

My fishes:
Haleq Raspboras
Small and peacefull Angelfish
Corydoras sterbai
Platy
Bolivian Ram (added after)

Can you help me find out what is the problem? There is no known cooper problem in my city.

Thanks!
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-15-2014, 01:46 AM
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I'm guessing this:
"Seachem Excel (I overdose it sometimes 2x, but not often).
Seachem Flourish Comprehensive
Seachem Prime
Seachem Root Tabs (8-10 for 29 gallon)
API Leaf Zone"

and this:

"My fishes:
Haleq Raspboras
Small and peacefull Angelfish
Corydoras sterbai
Platy
Bolivian Ram (added after)"


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What exactly?

I never see my fishes even approach to the snails or shrimps...

I also use the Melafix some times.
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is there copper in any of the things you add? I think the flourish has traces of copper

That sounds like a lot to add to a tank that has 1/2 a watt per gallon.
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You are adding too many chemicals to your tank, Excel has been know to kill them instantly. Root tabs/Flourish contain copper, Copper is BAD! Also Fish are stressing your shrimp after lights out, and you can't watch your tank 24/7. They are most likely bugging them when the lights are off and you not in the room. Did you know people keep Angel fish to feed their Shrimp culls to? They have also been known to eat Neon Tetras WHOLE.
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So, I don't need to add the ferts at all?
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Evilfish, I guess what I'm trying to say is that most people who keep shrimp end up keeping them in their own low tech tank.

Shrimp are on the bottom of the food chain and even if not eaten, can be picked on to the point of stressed death. They also don't have to be eaten whole, parts like legs and antennae come off just fine.

Some people do okay with ferts, but shrimp are more sensitive than fish. So just a little more of one chemical, while fish may do okay, may kill shrimp.

Also keep in mind a ph of 8.2 for Bamboo shrimp is very high. They tend to like 7ish down to 6.5ph

Does this help some?


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I'd guess that it's your fish eating them. My cardinal tetras have killed a couple of my shrimp. And Oceangirl, I use flourish excel and flourish on my tank and have been for a couple months, no deaths other than the ones that my tetras killed and my tank is quickly overpopulating with shrimp.
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It works for some, It kills for others. a Simple google of shrimp and excel with give you a host of threads all over the net.
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Root tabs/Flourish contain copper, Copper is BAD!

It's the dose that separates the essential nutrients from the poisons. Too much can kill, but too little can kill too.

In the case of copper, the tiny amount in fertilizers (and food) is an important micronutrient for both plants and shrimp. Shrimp use a copper-based blood protein (hemocyanin) to transport oxygen in their body. They don't need much copper, but I doubt that the amount in fertilizer is doing them in.


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Overdose on copper probably.

I dose regularly with everything you said and use root tabs and my shrimp are fine, I just dose lower than the recomended amount.

Fish don't normally attack adult shrimp, not even my puffers....I'm betting its copper
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Heres the problem I face with this two snail and shrimp you have:

Nerite snail:

Already starving to death from the store because they have no algae to eat and most of the time, they are with fish who would devour all the food leaving them with nothing to eat.

Solution: To keep them alive, toss in a heavy algae tank and keep that tank going with algae (add no more than 2 per tank)

Bamboo shrimp:

Same as nerite snail, already starving to death because they are filter feeding and feeding flake doesn't do much.

Solution: Get a powerhead or spray bar in the tank. Feeding spirulina pellet or related that would dissolve and break down fouling the tank with food matter

Without this, both will die in a couple days once you put them in the tank.

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No planaria takes many water changes to be removed completely and will kill nerite snails. You added them too quickly after treating the tank with no planaria. Bamboo shrimp are ok with many types of small fish. I kept 3 of them for years in a community tank. However, I believe the many chemicals you add did them in.

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It works for some, It kills for others. a Simple google of shrimp and excel with give you a host of threads all over the net.
I gave some baby Rili's to a friend who has a planted tank, After a month she used 1/4 the dose of excel and within 2 days all were dead.

I don't add anything at all in my planted tanks and they thrive. Well, I do a 20% weekly water change .
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Ok thanks!!!

My new nerita is OK for already 3 day. Old one is alive, but not active? Any way to recover it or it will die soon?
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