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Unhappy I'm doing it all wrong!!! help

Let me start by saying I kept shrimp years ago (RCS) in a 20 gallon tank so I have a tiny bit of knowledge. I decided to try my hand at it again with the same species of shrimp and I have to say there is so much more out there now. I thought I would do a small tank, 1.5 gallon probably my first mistake. I took gravel and water from a cycled tank and put into these two 1.5 gallon tanks. The shrimp I have originally came out of this tank so I thought the transition would be an easy one; second mistake. I added a bunch of live plants so fast forward two weeks and now in one of the tanks the one with my fire reds and orange sakura; third mistake BC they will breed together, I'm getting an ammonia spike over night and I'm waking up to at least one or two dead shrimp per day. I started with 9 young shrimp all together and now I'm down to two. The other tank I have 2 blue velvets and 5 guppy fry that are probably 3 weeks old, that tank gets a small ammonia read in the morning so I'm not sure exactly why that tank isn't falling apart like the other one.
The tanks I'm using are Tetra 1.5 gallon with a 3in 1 whisper filter and I added a 10 watt heater which keeps it between 74 and 80.
PH in both tanks 7.4
Ammonia in the problem tank goes up to .50ppm
BV tank ammonia read .25ppm , still a problem but not killing everyone.
Nitrite 0 in both tanks
Nitrates 5.0ppm in both tanks
I'm testing with API master test kit.

I've been doing 40% water changes every second day but now that the ammonia is rising I will have to do it every day until I figure out what's going wrong.
I also added an air stone.

I don't think I've missed any details but...HELP! please
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Maybe some floaters would help?
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That's the result of adding aquatic life to an uncycled tank. Sorry to say it, but that's the truth. Shrimp need well established tanks to survive. Not just "cycled," but mature tanks. The best you can do is add as much used media to the filter as you can. Transferring water doesn't do anything because the bacteria live on surfaces, they are not free floating. The surface gravel would be reach in bacteria so as long as you used that and kept in on top so it can get oxygen, you should be experiencing a mini cycle. Hopefully your bacteria will pick up and remove the ammonia. Put some wood, plants, rocks, etc. from an established tank in.


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Putting gravel and water from a cycled tank will NOT cycle a new tank. I will say this is the reason for your deaths, which is shown by your ammonia readings and shrimp deaths.

I would expect at least 2-3 weeks before the cycle is complete, and another 2-3 weeks for the tank to be established.


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temp is too high, ph is too high. need to let it cycle before adding any shrimp.

throw in a bunch of moss and floaters to try and help you cycle it faster and suck up some of those Nitrates.

slow down. dont rush things.
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I have marimo ball in both tanks as well as other new plants. I didn't expect water from the cycled tank was going to do more than just give them the water they were used to. And I thought, well read, that those pH and temp was okay for rcs. What should I be keeping it at then?
Would adding Ammonia lock stuff help get them through it or should I put them back into the 20 tank until these are mature enough?
And don't be sorry for pointing out my mistakes, that's why I'm here asking for help.
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how often and what are you feeding the shrimp?
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74F is a fine temperature, I'd say up to 76F. 78F and higher is where you might have to start worrying about bacterial infection if water conditions aren't pristine. I keep my RCS tank at 70-74F. Keep this temperature interval as small as possible though.
Your pH should be fine for RCS as well, 7.4 is well within their acceptable/adaptable range.

I really do think the main problem here is the incomplete cycle. If you can, I would move the shrimp somewhere safe (any other cycled tank that doesn't have larger fish?), and let the cycle complete.

And also, this is all just guess work until we know your parameters. Including GH, pH, ammo, nitrIte, nitrAte, etc.


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I think we need to consider helping getting him through this mistake so he can learn!
Ideally, another tank would be best for the cycling period. Is this possible? If not we have to go in a different direction that will probably take a lot of effort on your part.

Ammonia lock only lasts for a certain amount of time, but it will make the ammonia available for bacteria to eat, and keep your critters safe. I don't think you should rely on it though. Seachem prime is similar while also being a water conditioner. I use it weekly for water changes and if I feel there is an emergency (a mini cycle post rescape or something)

+1 on params. very important. if you dont have a test kit you gotta get one, especially to track the cycling process, while closely monitoring ammonia levels.

At the pet store you will find products like tetra safe start that are literally liquid forms of the bacteria you need. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. In your case I would do it. I've had success with the tetra brand.
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how often and what are you feeding the shrimp?
I'm feeding them literally a crumb of top fin, I think, algea wafers and only every other day. Plus if they haven't eaten all of it within a 2-3 hour period I will suction out whatever is left.
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74F is a fine temperature, I'd say up to 76F. 78F and higher is where you might have to start worrying about bacterial infection if water conditions aren't pristine. I keep my RCS tank at 70-74F. Keep this temperature interval as small as possiblethough.

***I will have to put these heaters on a light timer as there is no adjustment possible.


I really do think the main problem here is the incomplete cycle. If you can, I would move the shrimp somewhere safe (any other cycled tank that doesn't have larger fish?), and let the cycle complete.

*** I can move them to a cycled 20 gallon which is where I had the before I put them in these small tanks. This tank only has endlers and the shrimp are about as big as they are.

And also, this is all just guess work until we know your parameters. Including GH, pH, ammo, nitrIte, nitrAte, etc.
Nitrite is 0
Ammonia has reached .50ppm that's when I started doing WC every day.
Nitrates are at 5.0 ppm
PH is 7.6
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I think we need to consider helping getting him through this mistake so he can learn!
Ideally, another tank would be best for the cycling period. Is this possible?

**I can move the remaining ones to a 20 gallon tank

+1 on params. very important. if you dont have a test kit you gotta get one, especially to track the cycling process, while closely monitoring ammonia levels.

**I am using API master test kit

At the pet store you will find products like tetra safe start that are literally liquid forms of the bacteria you need. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. In your case I would do it. I've had success with the tetra brand.
** I have prime and now that you mentioned it I did put tetra safe start in the tank a couple of times, I had forgotten about it until you jogged my memory. I will do it again an I will also dose with prime.

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Those params are within safe in my opinion. Keep the ammonia under 1 ppm
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Ok, thank you. I will continue doing daily water changes. I just added prime and safe start too.
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** I have prime and now that you mentioned it I did put tetra safe start in the tank a couple of times, I had forgotten about it until you jogged my memory. I will do it again an I will also dose with prime.

Thank you for everything you all are offering
You're not supposed to use Prime with Tetra SafeStart - You probably just wasted that bottle of TSS if you did. In fact, you're not supposed to add TSS within 24hrs of adding Prime, then a week after w/o using Prime
http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/aq...safestart.html
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