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Why are certain Neos so expensive?

So red cherry shrimp are Neocaridina heteropoda/N. davidii. So are blue dream cherry shrimp. So are yellow shrimp. Why is it that blue dreams and yellow shrimp are more expensive? If they're all the same species, shouldn't they have similar fecundities? Or is it another "they got bred so hard that now they're basically the Habsburgs" ?

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Supply and demand.

Reds are the most common - making them cheaper and a lot of people have them.

Blue / Yellow / Orange / Rili / Black etc. are more rare, less people have them, demand is likely greater for "new" colours allowing vendors to charge more.

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I would add that reds seem to breed much more true, thus keeping the "supply" side of this equation higher. I cull so many blue dreams every time I get into that tank, and rarely have to cull any from my bloody Mary tank. I also cull a few goldenback yellows, but not nearly as many as blues. My black rose project just turned into a cull tank because if I culled with any consistency there would have been almost none left.

I'll also add that yellows and oranges have produced larger numbers for me than even reds, though this may have been coincidental. I use the same water, food, husbandry, etc on each tank but some simply do better than others. Part of that may be fecundity of the shrimp lines, not necessarily related to color.

In my own tanks, if you wanted 20 bloody Mary shrimp from me -I could net out 20 perfectly red shrimp easily yet if you wanted true dark blues, I'd be netting around for a long while to find specimens that fit the bill.

I once bought a group of gorgeous blue dream imports. They were the only shrimp in their tank. I wound up putting the entire tank full into a cull tank. They never threw one remotely blue baby, 100% wild types. Here's a photo from that disaster showing a parent shrimp and a few offspring.
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Wonderful....now I wonder where I can find true breeding blue dreams....

So many fish/plants/inverts to keep, not enough aquaria.
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I would add that reds seem to breed much more true, thus keeping the "supply" side of this equation higher. I cull so many blue dreams every time I get into that tank, and rarely have to cull any from my bloody Mary tank. I also cull a few goldenback yellows, but not nearly as many as blues. My black rose project just turned into a cull tank because if I culled with any consistency there would have been almost none left.

I'll also add that yellows and oranges have produced larger numbers for me than even reds, though this may have been coincidental. I use the same water, food, husbandry, etc on each tank but some simply do better than others. Part of that may be fecundity of the shrimp lines, not necessarily related to color.

In my own tanks, if you wanted 20 bloody Mary shrimp from me -I could net out 20 perfectly red shrimp easily yet if you wanted true dark blues, I'd be netting around for a long while to find specimens that fit the bill.

I once bought a group of gorgeous blue dream imports. They were the only shrimp in their tank. I wound up putting the entire tank full into a cull tank. They never threw one remotely blue baby, 100% wild types. Here's a photo from that disaster showing a parent shrimp and a few offspring.
This is why I never spent the money on green jades, despite them being my favorite color morph. I don't have the patience to cull and cull. lol
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My biggest advice would be to avoid imports at all costs, no matter how pretty they are. The line I have now is the best of the 4 times I've tried groups of these, but are still far from perfect. I got them from a member of the forums here. I'm "reverse culling" them now and moving the most perfect specimens to one of my 20 gallon breeder tanks. I'm a good 6 to 12 months away from seeing how this works out but so far they at least aren't throwing wild types.
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Seems like I'm really lucky with the number of blues I have in my first ever breeding of blue dreams.
I assume if they are quite blue at two weeks they'll stay that way?


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Seems like I'm really lucky with the number of blues I have in my first ever breeding of blue dreams.

I assume if they are quite blue at two weeks they'll stay that way?
In my limited experience with neocaridina, their colors only get better as they grow.

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These are about 12 days old:

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These are about 12 days old:

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In my limited experience with neocaridina, their colors only get better as they grow.
Same here. Only possible exception being some reds get very dark with older age, especially females. But that would only make a blue dreams better in most people's grading scale.
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Wonderful....now I wonder where I can find true breeding blue dreams....

Try LRBretz. Claims to have the straightest line in the world at about 95% breeding true. He does well with shrimp so I wouldn’t be surprised. Years of culling.


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Don't want to throw by all accounts a respectable breeder under the bus, but one of my early batches came from him. And in fairness to Lucas, a) I bought them from a hobbyist customer who had a few die and freaked out and traded them for fish and b) I knew darn well that there were a few babies from a former batch I hadn't been able to fish out that a male may have gotten big enough to have impregnated some before I could remove them, which would change everything. That must have been 6 years ago and I've wanted to try his line again since fairly.

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Don't want to throw by all accounts a respectable breeder under the bus, but one of my early batches came from him. And in fairness to Lucas, a) I bought them from a hobbyist customer who had a few die and freaked out and traded them for fish and b) I knew darn well that there were a few babies from a former batch I hadn't been able to fish out that a male may have gotten big enough to have impregnated some before I could remove them, which would change everything. That must have been 6 years ago and I've wanted to try his line again since fairly.

I plan on it. My blue dreams are crap. Throwing lots of carbon rillis and the like. His “A” team is the one to buy from what I understand. Seems like it’ll be a $100 gamble when I buy them but hopefully worth it.


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I'd pay $100 for two sexed pairs of dark blues if I knew for sure they'd throw like offspring! Would offer to sell you some of mine, but I think in your shoes I'd go with his line. The one thing I'd suggest most is make sure every last shrimp is out of that tank first.

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