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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 04-13-2020, 05:07 PM Thread Starter
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Help with water parameters

I setup a 34 gal red sea tank for plants about 6 weeks ago. The tank was already cycled, and the fish have been doing find, and the plants have been doing ok. This past weekend, I took 5 gal of water out of it, and put it into a small nano that I intend to keep shrimp and plants in. I live in an area where the water is super hard and have a water softener.

My tap water has the following parameters:

- GH 0-1
- KH - 9
- PH - 7.6-7.8
- TDS - 250

I have been adding in seachem's equilibrium bumping the GH up to 4, which also raises my TDS

My larger tank has a lot of drift wood, and it has one of the crushed lava rock type of substrates (the tank was used), and my PH is pretty stable in the 7.6-7.8 range.

I was planning on doing neos due to my high PH. I've seen posts where TDS should stay under 200 for shrimp (neos).

Can I keep shrimp with such a high TDS?

In a perfect world, what parameters do neo's like best? (In case I buy a RO).

thank you
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Properly acclimatised neos would do well in said conditions.


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I setup a 34 gal red sea tank for plants about 6 weeks ago. The tank was already cycled, and the fish have been doing find, and the plants have been doing ok. This past weekend, I took 5 gal of water out of it, and put it into a small nano that I intend to keep shrimp and plants in. I live in an area where the water is super hard and have a water softener.

My tap water has the following parameters:

- GH 0-1
- KH - 9
- PH - 7.6-7.8
- TDS - 250

I have been adding in seachem's equilibrium bumping the GH up to 4, which also raises my TDS

My larger tank has a lot of drift wood, and it has one of the crushed lava rock type of substrates (the tank was used), and my PH is pretty stable in the 7.6-7.8 range.

I was planning on doing neos due to my high PH. I've seen posts where TDS should stay under 200 for shrimp (neos).

Can I keep shrimp with such a high TDS?

In a perfect world, what parameters do neo's like best? (In case I buy a RO).

thank you
You have very interesting tap water parameters. I'm not sure I've ever heard of tap with a kh that high without gh being the same. Must be a pain to change your pH

Anyways, for neocaradinas the optimal parameters I have found are between about 5-7 gh. So if you just use a bit more equilibrium you should be at optimum gh.

Kh however presents a different problem, kh is inherently the buffering capacity of pH so I'm not sure how much of a negative effect it would be if it was out of recommended range for shrimp. (I would get a few more members ideas on that)

Tds as long as it doesn't get above 400 is completely fine.
You did however ask what the optimal parameters are :
Gh 5-7
Kh: 2-5
Ph: 6.5-7.8
Tds: 150-250
Temp: 70-76

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You have very interesting tap water parameters. I'm not sure I've ever heard of tap with a kh that high without gh being the same. Must be a pain to change your pH
Water softeners can do that.


@asn what are your water parameters without going through the softening process?

I would recommend 7 GH for neos.


As far as TDS goes..... I've seen some thriving in 600-ish TDS, some have reported Neos being in 800+ TDS.... usually not recommended to go below 150, 130 "absolute minimum".


You could also look into tigers, too. Tangerine tigers, orange eyed blue tigers, aura tigers, super tigers, etc. They would do fine in "Neo" parameters.
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Don't know if it helps, but my KH is between 8 and 11 (Seiryu stone/water changes) and my GH is 11 and my Sakura are breeding like crazy.


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@crazy - thank you

@Zoid - My GH out side was well over 25, so I gave up

Over all, sounds like I should bump my GH up to 7(ish) and see what happens

thanks everyone.
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Depending on your water parameters, you might be able to mix your hard water with the softened water...

Although if you struggle keeping shrimp, it doesn't hurt to switch to RO and minerals.
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