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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 11-11-2019, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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Fire cherry shrimp mystery

I have a well established planted aquarium and 4 days ago I added 10 cherry shrimp and the 1st 2 days the were all extremely active and visible. I also noticed 2 were carrying eggs. I noticed last night that I couldn't see any movement and since I only have those shrimp, " no other fish or creature's that could attack them". I'm wondering what is going on. I can't find any sign of them. Besides the obvious, they could be hiding is there anything else I could be missing? Also "yes" my filtration is shrimp proof. I'm just looking for someone smarter than I that can think of I might be missing. I feed every other day and usually they are not shy at feeding time, yet now it's as if I never put them in there. Any help would be appreciated. 2 pics attached for reference.
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Lets start with.... what are your parameters?

pH
Ammonia
Nitrites
Nitrates
Temp
TDS
GH
KH

When was the tank set up?

How long has it been cycled for?

Where did the shrimp come from?

Any chance this tank was ever treated with copper meds?

Any ferts or CO2?

What susbtrate?


If it's a well cycled tank without other inhabitants, then any feeding of them is over-feeding at this point... and being that you received adults, there's a chance that some or even all may die off as adults don't acclimate to new parameters as well as juvenile shrimp do. It can further complicate matters depending on where these shrimp originally came from and what they were raised in vs what's in your tank...


They could just be hiding, and hopefully that's it.
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Besides the questions that need to be answered above that's an very creative use of flat stones and nice pics.


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In that aquadcape 10 shrimp will just disappear, especially when newly added. I added maybe 50 cherries to my fifty five and 5 minutes later I didn't see a single one. Shrimp are remarkably good at camouflage. I have 10 orange shrimp in a 10 gallon and I still can only see 2 or 3 at a time max because of the heavy planting. I'd keep on assuming they are in there and feeding accordingly. They will eventually come for food.
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Sorry I'm new to the site, I just found everyone's replies and questions. Thank you by the way.
This is probably my 10th aquascaped aquarium so if I don't answer every tank parameter question, please know the only thing new to me is actually owning the shrimp. It took me 4 months alone to locate a breeder that could meet my demands.
That tank is on its 7th month, all of the carpet plants were grown from seeds and the other plants are clipped and cloned from one of my other tanks. The water is within prime levels from Fire Cherries, that took a couple months to get right. I wanted it to be perfect since only Cherries are going to be living in that tank. Rift to Reef supplied all my products and walked me through the "species specific tank" set up, but over all, it has 7 months worth of cycling and prep for Cherry shrimp. As far as feeding, I only feed them bug bites every other day and even then only a pinch. There's plenty of bio film and algae on the edges of the granite. I was afraid overfeeding would promote hiding or just chilling out in a hidden spot. I wanted them to be actively hunting for food or scavenging and the 1st couple days they did, they were all over, extremely active. It's 8:00 p.m. now and I've been in and out checking out the tank since 7:00 a.m. as I do the light cycle spending sometimes up to half an hour sitting and watching. Today I have yet to see a single one.
The picture I attached is zoomed in quite a bit. He's only half an inch at most. I know they don't live that long maybe a year and I specifically asked for juveniles So I'm hoping there's no reason to believe they're dead. I think the only thing I never bothered to ask is if they dig burrows and hide. However my carpet plants are pretty thick and their root system is visibly thick as well, when seen from the outside glass of the tank. However I know there must be a place they could dig if they wanted to I just don't know if they do. If they had all died overnight I would hope, 1 the problem would be more obvious being a covered tank there shouldn't have been any contamination and 2 shouldn't I be able to find a body if they all died? No sarcasm, these are all questions that come up as you go. As hard I I tried, I couldn't prepare for everything.
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Flourish Comprehensive Supplement and Flourish Exel Bioavailable Carbon were the last chemicals used and that was 4 months before the shrimp were added.
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The substrate is Carib Sea Eco Complete Planted Black Aquarium Substrate, and the rock was pulled from, but sanitized from another planted tank. It is granite and has been tested, I was afraid of iron and copper but they are free of those 2 metals specifically. 4 anubias plants two of which for the 1st time have started blooming and that's really it.
And thank you for the rock placement compliment.
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Carpet planted from seeds.... I'm done!

Sorry, but those seeds have a seriously bad rap! If the tank still looks great in 6-12 months, I'd be interested in seeing it with those seeds still growing!


Also... still missing parameters.
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"The freaks come out at night" looks like they took a day to chill. I set the lights to the2nd to last stage and saw some crawling out of some cholla wood. I panicked, lol!
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At least those are red. Try finding some younger false amono shrimp in that tank during the day 😁


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I have 12 tanks and have used seeds every time. Some have been running for 3 years on their original seeded carpet. Maybe I just have good luck, but I have never had an issue other than having too much growth and having to constantly trim and net out all the clippings. Even my cholla wood dissapeares if I'm not careful.
What type of seeds are you using and do you fertilize? The other thing I find very helpful is trimming, it stimulates root growth.
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Sorry the orientation changed somehow on those pics.
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I went over those guys like Sherlock, everyone is solid including there legs. No cross breeding for me, lol! "Shrimp wise ofcourse."
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9 out of 10 accounted for and a lovely surprise, 2 are holding what appears to be a clutch of yellow eggs. I hope those are eggs at least 😱They won't pose for pics yet but I'm trying to snap a photo to show.
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I'll run a water test tomorrow and provide an up to date parameter list. I haven't done one since adding the shrimp. They were the first and only animals going into the tank. So what I had would not be currently accurate. I don't do dip strips and I'm to lazy right now to break out all my gear.
Honestly once I get my tanks set, after the introduction of the animals I'm usually pretty lucky and don't have water problems. I spend months of preparing the setup before adding any animal. Everything in all my tanks are done with the purpose of "everything serves as something beneficial to someone else in the tank, one things trash is another's resource."
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