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That's just part of having a new tank.

Are you dosing ammonia every day to bring it up to a set PPM concentration?


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@somewhatshocked, I had been for roughly three weeks prior to adding the snails. Honestly, I wouldn't have thought snails would survive in an uncycled tank nor would I expect one could go uncycled this long. They're a nerite and a mystery and I had four neos in there for a couple weeks. The mystery went walkabout once; the nerite seems quite happy to stay home; the neos went happily about their business.

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@somewhatshocked, looks like you're right: NO2 readings are approximately 0.5mg/L, up from zero. This is the seventh tank I've started but the first time I've encountered this.



Both snails are at the surface. Time for a 25 % WC.

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@Rainer just FYI if your talking nerite snails it is not a good indication of water parameters just because they go for the top. They like to get out of the water sometimes and will go to top of tank, just like they will sleep sometimes for hours-days at a time. They will also burrow into the substrate along the glass and hang out.

Just saying do actually test and dont rely on nerites to be an indication.


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Wait. Do you have shrimp in an uncycled tank?

If so, you need to find another tank for them or someone to temporarily keep them while your tank cycles.

Same goes for Nerites. They're not usually capable of withstanding ammonia concentrations like Ramshorn, Pond, Bladder and Malaysian Trumpets are.


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Wait. Do you have shrimp in an uncycled tank?

If so, you need to find another tank for them or someone to temporarily keep them while your tank cycles.

Same goes for Nerites. They're not usually capable of withstanding ammonia concentrations like Ramshorn, Pond, Bladder and Malaysian Trumpets are.
I had shrimp in there for three weeks before returning them and the snails have been there for up to six-seven weeks - those are just some of the reasons it's so hard to believe the tank isn't already cycled. I'd dosed ammonia for weeks before adding the snails and I'd had small stems (monte carlo) before thread algae overran them, too.



Is there anything in EI ferts that could result in elevated NO2 readings?



I'll test for ammonia tonight.

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Ammonia = zero.
NO2 = essentially zero

I think @DaveKS solved this https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/2...l#post11267401 here.

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That's basically saying to have patience. With patience, things will clear up.
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That would have required extraordinary patience as I'd decided to wait on adding more snails or shrimp until this was solved. There's no food being currently added to the system, so organic decomp is going to be a very slowly accelerating process. Salty Shrimp GH/KH+ presumably contains Mg, though, so there's going to be a constant supply of that to the bacteria. I'm glad I didn't wait.

No luck finding Super Tigers and the OEBT leads here haven't panned out. I'll try that one last commercial guy tomorrow.

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