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Caridinas General Hardness Question

I have Taiwan Bees. Usually recommend Gh for Caridinas is 4-6. I use to keep my GH to 5 always. However this time my GH is 4 with a TDS of 142. Shrimps are having successful moltings so shall I leave the GH as it is now or gradually increase to 5? I am not increasing because 5 Gh will bring tds to 150+ and I like to keep my TDS to maximum 150.

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Keep them in what they thrive best in.
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Keep them in what they thrive best in.
They doing good in both 4 and 5 Gh. I just want to avoid the border line. 4 is start and 6 is maximum so that's why I thought to keep in middle at 5. Anyone of you successful keeping if Taiwan Bees at 4 GH?
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Sorry to say, but you are using TDS wrong. If your GH was 5 with a TDS under 150 and now you have to keep GH at 4 to keep TDS under 150, what does that tell you?

You should keep your GH and KH as consistent as possible, and then you know that TDS creep is due to something else.

Do you have wood or leaves in your tank by any chance? When was the last time you vacuumed the substrate? If you are not dosing fertilizers, dissolved organic material is going to be your TDS increase, and that means it is building up faster than you are removing it via water changes.
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Sorry to say, but you are using TDS wrong. If your GH was 5 with a TDS under 150 and now you have to keep GH at 4 to keep TDS under 150, what does that tell you?

You should keep your GH and KH as consistent as possible, and then you know that TDS creep is due to something else.

Do you have wood or leaves in your tank by any chance? When was the last time you vacuumed the substrate? If you are not dosing fertilizers, dissolved organic material is going to be your TDS increase, and that means it is building up faster than you are removing it via water changes.
I understand your point. Some factors specially accidental pouring of too much Bacter Ae powder and also added Seachem Prime while adding new shrimps twice this month. Usually my TDS never creep. I messed up and while putting Bacter Ae I accidentally added to much. I did very little water change to don't give shrimp more shock.
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I understand your point. Some factors specially accidental pouring of too much Bacter Ae powder and also added Seachem Prime while adding new shrimps twice this month. Usually my TDS never creep. I messed up and while putting Bacter Ae I accidentally added to much. I did very little water change to don't give shrimp more shock.
Excellent that you know what caused it! Don't worry about TDS - keep the GH the same and let the TDS go back down over time from water changes. I've kept bees at 240 TDS for several months without issues, but I knew what that extra TDS was from (tannins from wood and leaves).
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I understand your point. Some factors specially accidental pouring of too much Bacter Ae powder and also added Seachem Prime while adding new shrimps twice this month. Usually my TDS never creep. I messed up and while putting Bacter Ae I accidentally added to much. I did very little water change to don't give shrimp more shock.
Excellent that you know what caused it! Don't worry about TDS - keep the GH the same and let the TDS go back down over time from water changes. I've kept bees at 240 TDS for several months without issues, but I knew what that extra TDS was from (tannins from wood and leaves).
Thanks for the reply. So by keeping Gh same you mean leave it to 4 Gh as it is now right?
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Thanks for the reply. So by keeping Gh same you mean leave it to 4 Gh as it is now right?
I mean if they were thriving at 5, I'd go over 150 TDS to leave it at 5. By dropping to 4 just to keep your TDS low, you risk adding stress and possible molting issues in the long term.
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Thanks for the reply. So by keeping Gh same you mean leave it to 4 Gh as it is now right?
I mean if they were thriving at 5, I'd go over 150 TDS to leave it at 5. By dropping to 4 just to keep your TDS low, you risk adding stress and possible molting issues in the long term.
Ok thanks
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Just the other day my GH jumped up to 11 in two of my Caridina tanks. When they are normally around 5-7 GH. I checked TDS and both were above 200. I do want to note that I do WC's around once a month. No Shrimp deaths yet. And tons of babies.
However; I feel the culprit to this Problem is the possible overdose of my homemade Shrimp Food. Or all the snail smashing I do, of the Ramshorns.
It is irresistible to stop. Espically when your Shrimp love what your doing. Their Shells are so shiny, you can see them in the dark almost. It is sad that my Pictures can not Show the shine of them.
I must admit though, I have to increase the water changes.
If you are like me, and do not vacum the Substrate. Take your fish net and fan it through the plants and near the Substrate to stir up the gunk. that helps quite a bit.
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Just the other day my GH jumped up to 11 in two of my Caridina tanks. When they are normally around 5-7 GH. I checked TDS and both were above 200. I do want to note that I do WC's around once a month. No Shrimp deaths yet. And tons of babies.
However; I feel the culprit to this Problem is the possible overdose of my homemade Shrimp Food. Or all the snail smashing I do, of the Ramshorns.
It is irresistible to stop. Espically when your Shrimp love what your doing. Their Shells are so shiny, you can see them in the dark almost. It is sad that my Pictures can not Show the shine of them.
I must admit though, I have to increase the water changes.
If you are like me, and do not vacum the Substrate. Take your fish net and fan it through the plants and near the Substrate to stir up the gunk. that helps quite a bit.
Thanks. I also don't vacuum my substrate.
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5-6 HG is absolutely perfect, anything lower than that can cause molting problems, TDS is not only minerals diluted in water, high TDS can be caused by poor filtration, too much debris etc..so proper GH and KH is more important, I wouldnt recommend KH as 0 either due to possible PH swings, KH -1 is the best in my opinion
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I'm thinking Nate is onto something here My TDS creeps up slowly over the weeks but I also noticed a lot of mulm accumulation and I'm now doing light surface vacuums. Every other week about 10% roughly of tank volume just to get the mungies out.

I keep forgetting that TDS can be from organics.

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