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Ghost Shrimp Water Parameters

Hello! I am new here, and hoping to get some advice regarding shrimp care, specifically for Ghost Shrimp. I am new to the hobby, although have kept freshwater fish for years. Recently I setup a 5 gal freshwater for keeping shrimp. I let the tank cycle for over 8 weeks, using API master test kit i decided levels were adequate to add shrimp. I've now introduced 2, both died within 24 hours. I did a gh and kh test and my gh was extremely high, needed 20 drops! I'm wondering if my tap water (although I added conditioner) is not great for shrimp. My question is can I cut, or totally use distilled water and completely restart the tank?
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You shouldn't need to restart the tank, but doing a water change with tap and RO/Distilled mixed may indeed help.

Is the tank new or used? Substrate? Water parameters?
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I would not buy just a two of any type of shrimp get at least 6 to 8 to start the tank.

As @Zoidburg said we need more info.

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You shouldn't need to restart the tank, but doing a water change with tap and RO/Distilled mixed may indeed help.

Is the tank new or used? Substrate? Water parameters?


Gh- extremely high, (over 214.8 ppm, which is 12 drops, mine needed 15 drops)
KH- 71.6ppm
PH- 8.0
Ammonia-0ppm
Nitrite-0ppm
Nitrate-80 ppm (this is extremely high was recorded a few days ago when my shrimp died, was not this high when I added first batch of shrimp as far as I recall but did not record)

The tank is not New, I used it about 2 years ago for guppies and a Platys I believe. All new substrate (Carib Sea Super Natural Black) and all new lava rock, and decorations. Never medicated anything in the tank. No live plants yet.

Aside from the nitrate level, I was concerned my tap water may have copper, but do not have this test kit. Purely out of speculation trying to troubleshoot what is wrong.

I must also admit that I did not use drip acclamation. Upon further research I understand this may be my downfall as well. Again, new to inverts and trying to learn. I bought some airline tubing for the future.

Thanks in advance for your advice, I am an animal lover and can't bear to be losing things anymore due to improper care.

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I would not buy just a two of any type of shrimp get at least 6 to 8 to start the tank.

As @Zoidburg said we need more info.
Okay, noted. I only have a 5 gallon now front, and to clear I introduced shrimp on 2 separate occasions. Once after over 8 weeks of cycling I added 3, and then they died. I waited a couple weeks and only introduced 1 because I was fearful it would also die and wanted to minimize my loss. Would 6-8 be suitable for this size tank, do they require more plants/hides if I add more?

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You shouldn't need to restart the tank, but doing a water change with tap and RO/Distilled mixed may indeed help.

Is the tank new or used? Substrate? Water parameters?
included this picture of Nitrate results because it was difficult to distinguish if it was at 40 or 8p, which regardless, is too high.

I was hesitant to do water changes if my tap water was the source of nitrates/other unwanted things.
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Okay, noted. I only have a 5 gallon now front, and to clear I introduced shrimp on 2 separate occasions. Once after over 8 weeks of cycling I added 3, and then they died. I waited a couple weeks and only introduced 1 because I was fearful it would also die and wanted to minimize my loss. Would 6-8 be suitable for this size tank, do they require more plants/hides if I add more?
The dumb rule for shrimp is 10 per 1 liter of water and there's just about 4 liters to a gallon ... lets skip the math and say that's a lot of shrimp. That's assuming the tank is established, well planted and you know how to do good weekly WC's for shrimp (2 to 3 small changes a week not a big one) and have a good sinking shrimp food.

I'd start out with as much java moss or guppy grass as you can get and more Hornwort that you think you need. Those are cheap and easy plants to get. I'd throw 10-15 shrimp in there at that point.

Your NO3 is bouncing around because your tank isn't actually fully cycled once the second half of the cycle is finished the NO3 drops to near nothing as it's converted to N and ether off gassed out of the water or fed to your plants. The plants are the key to that part.

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Okay, noted. I only have a 5 gallon now front, and to clear I introduced shrimp on 2 separate occasions. Once after over 8 weeks of cycling I added 3, and then they died. I waited a couple weeks and only introduced 1 because I was fearful it would also die and wanted to minimize my loss. Would 6-8 be suitable for this size tank, do they require more plants/hides if I add more?
The dumb rule for shrimp is 10 per 1 liter of water and there's just about 4 liters to a gallon ... lets skip the math and say that's a lot of shrimp. That's assuming the tank is established, well planted and you know how to do good weekly WC's for shrimp (2 to 3 small changes a week not a big one) and have a good sinking shrimp food.

I'd start out with as much java moss or guppy grass as you can get and more Hornwort that you think you need. Those are cheap and easy plants to get. I'd throw 10-15 shrimp in there at that point.

Your NO3 is bouncing around because your tank isn't actually fully cycled once the second half of the cycle is finished the NO3 drops to near nothing as it's converted to N and ether off gassed out of the water or fed to your plants. The plants are the key to that part.
Sounds good. I'll try to get my hands on some plants this week and get that going. I have standard lighting, but in regards to the plants is it safe to use plant tabs or liquid in an invert tank? For my freshwater tank with fish I have been using Nutrafin Plant Gro;however, this contains 0.0005% copper among other things. Is this necessary, and is it safe for inverts/what are the alternatives?

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Okay, noted. I only have a 5 gallon now front, and to clear I introduced shrimp on 2 separate occasions. Once after over 8 weeks of cycling I added 3, and then they died. I waited a couple weeks and only introduced 1 because I was fearful it would also die and wanted to minimize my loss. Would 6-8 be suitable for this size tank, do they require more plants/hides if I add more?
The dumb rule for shrimp is 10 per 1 liter of water and there's just about 4 liters to a gallon ... lets skip the math and say that's a lot of shrimp. That's assuming the tank is established, well planted and you know how to do good weekly WC's for shrimp (2 to 3 small changes a week not a big one) and have a good sinking shrimp food.

I'd start out with as much java moss or guppy grass as you can get and more Hornwort that you think you need. Those are cheap and easy plants to get. I'd throw 10-15 shrimp in there at that point.

Your NO3 is bouncing around because your tank isn't actually fully cycled once the second half of the cycle is finished the NO3 drops to near nothing as it's converted to N and ether off gassed out of the water or fed to your plants. The plants are the key to that part.
Sounds good. I'll try to get my hands on some plants this week and get that going. I have standard lighting, but in regards to the plants is it safe to use plant tabs or liquid in an invert tank? For my freshwater tank with fish I have been using Nutrafin Plant Gro;however, this contains 0.0005% copper among other things. Is this necessary, and is it safe for inverts/what are the alternatives?
One more quick question, 2-3 changes needed weekly while I get the cycle complete? And are we talking like a 10% water change?

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Sounds good. I'll try to get my hands on some plants this week and get that going. I have standard lighting, but in regards to the plants is it safe to use plant tabs or liquid in an invert tank? For my freshwater tank with fish I have been using Nutrafin Plant Gro;however, this contains 0.0005% copper among other things. Is this necessary, and is it safe for inverts/what are the alternatives?
Keep it easy while you learn (I know that's hard) just buy a bottle of ThriveS (ThriveS | Premium Liquid Fertilizer | NilocG Aquatics) and stay away from the GH Booster.

Anything copper is going to kill shrimp pretty hard just like most snails. That low a dose isn't bad but I wouldn't do it until you know how to handle your tank. ThriveS makes it simple.

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One more quick question, 2-3 changes needed weekly while I get the cycle complete? And are we talking like a 10% water change?
20% at most or two 10% a week is good.
Once your water cycle is stable and your plants are happy one 20% every two weeks is good but every tank is different so you have to learn it the hard way some times.

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Sounds good. I'll try to get my hands on some plants this week and get that going. I have standard lighting, but in regards to the plants is it safe to use plant tabs or liquid in an invert tank? For my freshwater tank with fish I have been using Nutrafin Plant Gro;however, this contains 0.0005% copper among other things. Is this necessary, and is it safe for inverts/what are the alternatives?
Keep it easy while you learn (I know that's hard) just buy a bottle of ThriveS (ThriveS | Premium Liquid Fertilizer | NilocG Aquatics) and stay away from the GH Booster.

Anything copper is going to kill shrimp pretty hard just like most snails. That low a dose isn't bad but I wouldn't do it until you know how to handle your tank. ThriveS makes it simple.

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One more quick question, 2-3 changes needed weekly while I get the cycle complete? And are we talking like a 10% water change?
20% at most or two 10% a week is good.
Once your water cycle is stable and your plants are happy one 20% every two weeks is good but every tank is different so you have to learn it the hard way some times.
Sounds good. How often do you recommend I check/document my parameters, every other day until nitrate is stable?

Thank you sincerely. Your advice is greatly appreciated!!!

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Have you checked your tap water parameters?


You don't need to convert from German degrees to ppm. Saying 15 GH is perfectly fine!
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When you buy ghost shrimps, always get large ones, 1 to 2+ inches long. Mature ghost shrimps are stronger and survive better.
And when you bring them home, do a slow drip acclimation.
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You don't need to convert from German degrees to ppm. Saying 15 GH is perfectly fine!
I only tested my tap water Nitrates to see if that was a source, it's not. I believe I checked gh of tap but did not record it.

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And when you bring them home, do a slow drip acclimation.
Will do, I think this may have been my major mistake. A testament to doing research prior to purchasing animals

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If your tap water has ammonia or nitrites in it, that can be converted to nitrates.... so you really need to do a full test. Saying that, chlorine and chloramines can show up as ammonia.

And generally speaking, younger shrimp acclimate better than adults.
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If your tap water has ammonia or nitrites in it, that can be converted to nitrates.... so you really need to do a full test. Saying that, chlorine and chloramines can show up as ammonia.

And generally speaking, younger shrimp acclimate better than adults.
Makes sense. I will do a full test on tap tonight. I have been doing small water changes but using tap water with conditioner so I'll retest the tank tonight too. Put one plant in, going to get more tonight too.

Tap Water
Ph-7.4
Ammonia-0ppm
Nitrite-0ppm
Nitrate- not quite 0 but not 5ppm
GH-10
KH-7

I have put some plants in the tank and a moss ball. Store currently not carrying any moss plants because of wholesale price at the moment but may carry from local sources soon. So I have a small Amazon sword from my other tank, some rotala and a moss ball.

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Without knowing if there's anything harmful in your tap, I don't see anything that would be bad for ghosts. Now, if your tap is 10 GH and your tank has 15+, then there's either a lot of evaporation going on and you are topping off, or there's something in the tank leaching into the water column causing higher GH. I don't necessarily see a higher GH as an issue for ghosts, but then I don't know of preferred parameters for them either.
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