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Shrimp Project

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I want to start dabbling around with some shrimp breeding moss grow out project. I would like to have dedicated tank per species. I can cull out into my established 55 and off to my local club.

Should I set up four 20 gallon longs or 4 40 gallon breeders.

Will 40 gallons be overkill, will 20's be enough space.. ?

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20long is plenty big enough for shrimp
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20long is plenty big enough for shrimp
Thanks Stacy. Want to get a game plan going before the petco sale is over..

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I would start with a 20 gallon long. Make it the ' breeding tank' then have another as the baby shrimps 'grow up tank', and another as a adult shrimp tank'....add a lot of plants (java fern, water wisteria, anubias)! Make sure you don't get over crowded with shrimp! They can get over populated fast!
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10 gallon tanks are good for shrimp also. A while back, I moved a cherry colony from a 10 to a larger tank. In the end I moved over 450 shrimp. Took several weeks and I counted as I went. I had to let the micro-babies get big enough to see so I could net them. Even with that large of a colony, I never had issues in the 10G. If you find that you like shrimping, the 20G and 40G might end up taking too much space vs. the 10G's if you decide to set up more tanks.

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Think I'll go with four 20's.
With the given water parameters above what types would suit me best ? Crystals?

Now I need to figure out the racking..also..

What's your opions on the filter I the link. If I run a 100 gallon air pump should power all four effectively ?

BACTO-SURGE HIGH DENSITY FOAM FILTER (2-Pack) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XRSS73F..._untJzbNJX9N8T


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A divided 20L should be fine. What shrimp do you plan to breed?
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A divided 20L should be fine. What shrimp do you plan to breed?
Not to sure yet, something that will fit my water parameters. I'm not into altering chemistry too much, but if need be I'll do it.

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A divided 20L should be fine. What shrimp do you plan to breed?
I think this would be optimal as well.
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20L's make great tanks to use HMF filters in. Same concept as the one you linked to, but these are better. More filtration, more grazing.

Mattenfilter Shop - SWISSTROPICALS

Or this could work as well.

Cornerfilter Shop - SWISSTROPICALS

An alternative design...

https://printedreefingsolutions.com/t/corner-hmf


I would recommend starting out with Neos or *maybe* Tigers if you gear the water parameters towards them. Regardless of what shrimp you keep, you *will* need to change your water parameters. If you wanted to go with Crystals, you would need to purchase a buffering substrate and use RO/DI water with GH+ minerals. With Neos, as long as your water parameters check out good, you only need GH+ minerals and some sand or gravel. (just not gravel from Petco)

https://www.discobee.com/blogs/news/...ter-parameters

You are close to this vendor...

BUYPETSHRIMP.COM

And there are a lot of shrimpers in California.



Do not purchase imported shrimp. Since you are in California, you can find some *great* USA bred shrimp without having to travel too far or you'll have quick shipping to your doorstep!



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@Highseq, nice to see more people here from Hell!
Haha. Home sweet home :p
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20L's make great tanks to use HMF filters in. Same concept as the one you linked to, but these are better. More filtration, more grazing.

Mattenfilter Shop - SWISSTROPICALS

Or this could work as well.

Cornerfilter Shop - SWISSTROPICALS

An alternative design...

https://printedreefingsolutions.com/t/corner-hmf


I would recommend starting out with Neos or *maybe* Tigers if you gear the water parameters towards them. Regardless of what shrimp you keep, you *will* need to change your water parameters. If you wanted to go with Crystals, you would need to purchase a buffering substrate and use RO/DI water with GH+ minerals. With Neos, as long as your water parameters check out good, you only need GH+ minerals and some sand or gravel. (just not gravel from Petco)

https://www.discobee.com/blogs/news/...ter-parameters

You are close to this vendor...

BUYPETSHRIMP.COM

And there are a lot of shrimpers in California.



Do not purchase imported shrimp. Since you are in California, you can find some *great* USA bred shrimp without having to travel too far or you'll have quick shipping to your doorstep!



@Highseq, nice to see more people here from Hell!
Thanks for the great reply.! Full of info to take into consideration.

Just so I have a clear understanding with my parameters which are dang near r/o.
I will still need to make adjustments for say crystal reds as they are the closest to my unaltered parameters. ?

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Ph 7.8
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Haha. Home sweet home :p
My brother owns an equestrian center out In spanish springs.. Shady Creek hunter jumpers.

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Thanks for the great reply.! Full of info to take into consideration.

Just so I have a clear understanding with my parameters which are dang near r/o.
I will still need to make adjustments for say crystal reds as they are the closest to my unaltered parameters. ?

3 kh
3 gh
Ph 7.8
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Your pH is kind of high to be considered "dang near RO" imo. Active substrate like fluval plant and shrimp, controsoil, or aquasoil would probably make it good while it maintains its buffer capacity though. It will take your kH of 3 down to 0 and drop your pH down to about 6.5 assuming nothing else in your water is buffering (phosphate buffers etc.) That TDS seems very low for having a Gh and kH of 3...

Someone with more experience with CRS would know better than me though.
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With your water, you are better off going with Neos or maybe Tigers.


Is it possible to keep Crystals in it? Yes, but they may not breed as well as if they were kept in the preferred water parameters. It's not recommended to use tap water on buffering substrate as it can cause pH swings and cause the substrate to lose it's buffering capacity sooner. (as has already been mentioned)


Highseq, Clownplanted and I all probably have the same water source, although it seems ClownPlanted's water gets messed with a lot... When I first started with shrimp (kind of thrown into it unintentionally), all the shrimp kept dying because the water was too soft. Everyone says "cherries do fine in tap water!", and yet, mine died. Had to do my own crash course into GH, KH and TDS. Once I was able to confirm why the shrimp were dying, I was then able to make changes to the water parameters to help them survive longer... I've done RO with [a crappy] remineralizers, my tap with my sisters tap (lives less than 10 minutes away, her water is 10 KH and 19 GH...), tap with remineralizers...


I can say from experience that it's best starting off with what you can handle rather than trying to adapt shrimp to parameters that they probably wont thrive in.




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