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ich and plants

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I just recently noticed ich on one of my fish. In the past when I had to deal with ich I used a combination of raised temp and salt, but since this tank contains plants Im afraid of the effects of such a treatment. Does anybody have any ideas about treating ich in a way that would be safe for my plants? Thanks for any help
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you _need_ a quarantine tank

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I do have a quarantine tank, and I believe I asked about ich, not your opinion on quarantine tanks
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Mike, raising the temperature for a couple of days doesn't hurt most plants, I would consider it safe. I have never used salt, I suppose the plant damage would be depending on the concentration. There are many medications for ich available, and if I remember correctly they usually don't affect plants, but might be dangerous for invertebraes, like shrimps and snails.


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I treated ich in one of my planted tanks awhile ago with no side effects, but beware i think most of the meds will harm inverts. as for raising the temp - it shortens the life cycle. i have successfully treated ich using salt, raised temp, and a diatom filter.
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I turned my tank temp up to 80-82 for about 3 weeks and fed my fish plenty of freeze dried blood worms. I also did lots of water changes. My Cardinals and neons were absolutely covered with Ich but they all survived.
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thanks for all the replies. I really dont want to use commercial meds unless I absolutely must, I also have many inverts in the tank that I dont want to sacrifice. To really kill the ich I would need to keep the tank up to at least 86 and keep it there for three weeks. The plants I keep are java fern, anubias, crypts, saggitaria, and hornwort. Do you think that these plants would survive three weeks with the temp raised that high? I would also like to lightly salt the tank at a rate of a teaspoon per five gallons if possible, or would this harm the plants enough to kill them? I dont mind if they stop growing or sustain some damage, just as long as they dont completely die off and eventually grow back. Thanks for your help
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Mike, I had Crypt, Anubias, Java Fern and Hornwort grew at 84F before w/o a problem. I didn't have Sagitaria in that tank though. Some of the Crypt's leaves melted but most survived and grew nicely. Anubias and Java Fern don't seem to mind at all. So I doubt raising the temp to 86 would kill them.
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Mike, I just got finished treating for ich in a planted tank by raising the temp to 86 degrees for two weeks and adding 1 tablespoon of salt per 5 gallons after ever water change for 3 weeks with great results, no plant or fish loss.

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im sure this is nothing new, but rapid temp changes in the tank can cause ich. water changes are usually the cause of ich, when i do my water changes. i fill a bucket treat it w/ appl. chems and then put a submersible heater in the bucket and match the temps before i add it to the tank. i havent seen a lick of ich since my goldfish days
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I should have made it clear that you do a gradual temp change, 1-3 degrees a day intil your temp reaches 86 degrees.

I know may ich came from some fish that I got from a my LFS, I got to get a quarantin tank.

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Raising the temperature and adding salt is an effective way to counter ich. Plants may be affected by prolonged exposure to levels of salt in excess of 0.5%. If you do plan to raise the salt concentration make sure you do so in gradual steps over one to two days to prevent osmotic shock to the fish.

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thanks for all the help, right now Im in the process of slowly raising the temp up to 86. Im glad to hear that I can can somewhat safely use the salt/temp method to treat the tank. IBN, when you say .5% salinity what do you mean? I usually use one teaspoon per 5 gallons to treat ich which in my tank comes to 3/4 of a cup, which I add over the course of a week. In this concentration do you think there would be any adverse effects to my plants? Thanks for the help
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It's basically a % of salt in solution and correlates to a specific gravity of around 1.004. You'll reach this (0.5%) by adding around 0.04 lbs (181.4 grams) of salt to a gallon of water.

You're pretty safe under the dosage that you're using. One teaspoon per every 5 gallons is a really low dosage.

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You'll reach this (0.5%) by adding around 0.04 lbs (181.4 grams) of salt to a gallon of water.
Ooopsie... you meant 18 grams, right??


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