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Flourish root tabs

If I place Flourish root tabs in tank around plants do I need to dose with Flourish liquid?
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Yes root tabs are just for rooted plants everything else (plus the rooted plants) uptake ferts from the water column.

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No question about it...both can be used. Flourish Tabs are best used with heavy root feeders like Amazon swords and many crypts. Liquid Flourish and the other Seachem liquid nutrients should be used in any case (at least Flourish Excel for a source of carbon and Flourish Iron for most crypts and dwarf sags).

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I wouldn't bother with flourish tabs. Look at the analysis:
http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...urishTabs.html

Hardly anything in them.

Osmocote contains way more at a better price, but I can't find any labels/analysis posted online.

Unless you've got stock in seachem, you'll probably find your wallet hurts a little less if you use DIY ferts. Comprehensive is a pretty good micro, but the macros are an arm and a leg by comparison.

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Thank you all for the info.
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hello raja, Philosophos is right, i also thought of buying these, but no use, just waste of money , i believe all plants can also feed from there leaves. so flourish is a better choice.
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Plants feed from different areas separately. The column will lose nutrients if it isn't dosed reliably, meanwhile the substrate will retain large amounts of nutrients but not take advantage of giving nutrients to the largest available area of plant mass.

Why not dose both? Good nutrients everywhere help to maximize uptake, and leave somewhere for plants to fall back on when our dosing is imperfect.

Here's an osmocote brochure, page 8 shows nutrient levels for its product line. It's all way higher than what you'll get out of the hobby-based products:
http://www.osmocote.co.za/brochure.pdf

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Is the osmocote safe? It even comes in tablets. At the local fish auction over the weekend, I ran into a guy that makes his own tabs using pottery clay and fertilizer. He said he makes the clay out into a little bowl shape, sprinkles some fertilizer into it. Then folds it over to trap the fertilizer inside. I think he said he uses this, I can't remember as it was a weird name I hadn't heard before. But this sounds like it. He said he buys it at lowes. If I see him again Ill have to ask him the specifics. As a home made tab sounds cheap and easy.

EDIT *after searching lowes website, they do sell osmocote. It says it's not pet safe....I'm assuming dogs etc as they might eat a bottle. Ill try to find out if he keeps fish in these tanks or if there plants only.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...010&lpage=none


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Osmocote has been used in tons of planted tanks just fine. You'll even find mention of its use back in 1995 on thekrib:
http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/kelly-intro.html

It's an old idea that makes its rounds.

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wow nice philosophos. I think I am going to try this out. I will have to go to lowes tomorrow and check it out.


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Plants feed from different areas separately....
agree, & specially if ur using plain gravel like me, then you def. should use Flourish Root Tabs or similar like others mentioned.


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You have to undersand what osmoscote is and why you would want to use it in the first place.

It is a time release NPK fertilizer, nitrogen-phosphate-potassium, thats it. It contains no minerals or other nutrients. Do you want to release high levels of nitrogen and phosphate into your aquarium? People that do use it usually do in very small amounts at the bottom of your tank with several inches of substrate on top of it to prevent it from getting into the water, but every time you uproot a plant and stir things up, you are still likely to release it into the water. Getting it into the water column would very likely cause a large algae outbreak If in large enough amounts, it could raise nitrogen/ammonia to dangerous levels. Root tabs contain very little nitogen and are mostly trace mninerals.

There are two types of nutrients plants use, whats called macro nutrients and micro nutrients.

Macronutrients
Nutrients used by plants in relatively large amounts. They are nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), sulfur (S), calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg) and potassium (K).


Micronutrients
Nutrients used by plants in small amounts. They are iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), copper (Cu), zinc (Zn), molybdenum (Mo), cobalt (Co), and boron (B).

Osmoscote contains three of the macros N,P,K, and nothing else. They are three of the most important nutrients, but also two of the most dangerous if not used properly. Any garden fertilizer such as osmoscote or miracle grow is going to be NPK. It is also likely to be high in urea as a form of nitrogen which can cause problems in the aquarium.

Seachems flourish tabs are a great mix of micronutrients with some small amounts of macros, much much safer than osmoscote. And no urea. If you want to use an NPK fertilizer, use one that is low in phosphate. NPK fertilizers have a series of three sets of number 20=19=08 or 13-05-10 or whatever. The first number is N, second set is P, and the last set is K. If its a single digit number that is considered low, if its a two digit number that is considered high. So you want to find a fert that has a single digit middle number, meaning it is low in phosphate.

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the stuff from lowes is probably stump remover which is kno3.

i make my own root tabs. i use this recipe. http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums...=diy+root+tabs
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You have to undersand what osmoscote is and why you would want to use it in the first place.

It is a time release NPK fertilizer, nitrogen-phosphate-potassium, thats it. It contains no minerals or other nutients. Do you want to release high levels of nitrogen and phosphate into your aquarium? People that do use it usually do in very small amounts at the bottom of your tank with several inches of substrate on top of it to prevent it from getting into the water, but every time you uproot a plant and stir things up, you are still likely to release it into the water. Getting it into the water column would very likely cause a large algae outbreak If in large enough amounts, it could raise nitrogen/ammonia to dangerous levels. Root tabs contain very little nitogen and are mostly trace mninerals.
Actually even old ADA AS I has an analysis with higher NH4 levels than the high potassium osmocote (it's looking like the better one to me). The N not from NH4 is going to be from an inorganic source, and once again far lower than even old ADA AS I. What does leech will basically be so low in toxicity that you should be more concerned with the little bit of NH4 that might come up.

Disturbing an established substrate heavily, regardless of the type, is usually a good reason to be doing water changes in a planted tank anyhow. I do all of my tank modifications at water change time, and an overhaul means intense water changes for the first few weeks.

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Actually even old ADA AS I has an analysis with higher NH4 levels than the high potassium osmocote (it's looking like the better one to me). The N not from NH4 is going to be from an inorganic source, and once again far lower than even old ADA AS I. What does leech will basically be so low in toxicity that you should be more concerned with the little bit of NH4 that might come up.
Osmoscote is NPK, period, plain and simple. There is nothing hard to understand about that. It usually comes in pellets and is time release. It contains NOTHING but NPK. Nothing else. Thats it. It is no different that dumping a bottle of Miracle grow in your tank. Do a little google on the affects of urea in the aquarium. If you do not use osmoscote very sparingly you are going to have a tank full of green pea soup first and then nothing but hair algae if you havn't killed all your fish by then.

Stump remover is not Osmoscote, but is potassium nitrate. Stump remover is not time release.

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