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NEW SET-UP and PLANTS ARE DYING!

What I have:

10 gallon tank
2x15w GE Chroma 50 Flourescent Light
Flourite substrate mixed with a little bit of playsand
External Canister filter
DIY CO2 yeast mix in a liter bottle

Plants I have:

hygrophilia croymbosa
hygrophilia polysperma
echinodorus martii
echinodours bleheri
echinodorus osiris
echinodours barthii
cryptocoryne wendtii
cryptocoryne ciliata
cryptocoryne crispatula
ceratophyllum demersum
anubias congensis

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pH- 6.8
KH- 6dKH
5 bubbles per minute from the DIY CO2 system

This tank was set up five days ago. When I received the plants, they were pretty healthy and green. Now, most of them have yellow and brown leaves. Some of the leaves are curling and others are wilting.I have not seen any growth. Each day, it seems like they are dying rather than growing. I thought there might be some deficiency, so I bought Kent's Nitrate and Phosphate supplement and Seachem's Potassium supplement. I also bought Seachem's Flourish. I added about 1ml of each supplement a day ago. WHAT ELSE SHOULD I DO? WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? PLEASE HELP!
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Don't fertilize yet. Your tank is still new. Most of your plants are root feeders to you need to use root tablets under the substrate.

How do you plant to keep all those plants in a 10gl? Many of your plant selections are giants. One Crypt Wendtii can easily take over a third of your tank once it grows. Some of your crypts and Echinodorus can easily reach 20" and over in no time once the growth start to pick up.
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I also have Seachem's Flourish Tabs but I have yet to use it. I don't know how i'm going to keep these plants. They are very large plants for a 10 gallon. I want to see if I can grow them first and if they grow, I will try to sell them to the lfs and buy new and smaller plants. But first, I have to be able to keep them alive and grow them. So, do you suggest using the root tablets for the substrate and discontinue the liquid fertilizer?
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Yes, don't use liquid fert yet until at least your tank is 6-8 weeks or else a whole bunch of algaes will kick in soon. Those swords and Crypts will recover fast when you use root tablets. Another problem with your tank is that those plants have no space to establish their roots.

Next time, look up the plants you have in mind from and plant profiles first or ask people's opinions here. Many of us have 10gl planted also
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5 bubbles per scond or per minute?
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What is the tempature of the water in the tank?

Also, alot of plants tend to drop their leaves and then grow new ones when you move them, put them in new tanks, etc. Crypts are notorious for this, called "melting". Even if a plant looses all of it's leaves give it time as it's very likely to send out new leaves after a while.
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I made a new yeast mix. So, now the rate of CO2 is about 13 bubbles per minute. The temperature in the tank is around 72 to 75 farenheit.

Fibercon,
I'm new to this hobby, so I hope you're correct about the melting leaves. Most of the leaves "melting" and wilting and they look very transparent.

Thank You for all your help.
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As for temperature I would stay more around 78. We always bring up how important light and CO2 are in affecting plant growth, more important then fertilizing. But temperature is also as critical too.
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Man, talk about packing an aquarium.
As previously stated, that tank is gonna take on the appearance of a jungle in very, very short order.

Some of your plants may have been grown emersed, and when totally submerged they tend to drop leaves. Don't pull them. Usually they will come back good as new.
I would caution against using any fertilization for a minimum of 2 - 3 weeks, and root tabs may not be necessary at all. Once they are in the substrate, they need to be left undisturbed until they spend themselves or you could have some serious algae issues.
I have grown Crypts. and Swords (most varieties of both) beautifully for years and never used a root tab. "Root Feeders" will do fine without them, IMO.

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I concur with Len's suggestions. Swords are usually grown emersed and after you introduce them, they'll drop their old leaves and regrow new ones.

I would also stop fertilizing for the moment and just let those guys soak it all up. IMO, it's better to let them strip the tank of nutrients in the beginning and then start fertilizing rather than loading the tank up from the on start.

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Because of your reassurances, my tank is doing very well right now. Everything is growing and striving. Thank you guys!
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Because of your reassurances, my tank is doing very well right now. Everything is growing and striving. Thank you guys!
What action did you take to get things right -- or did you just leave
everything alone?

I agree that you have a lot of plants that can get large, unless you prune them frequently. The crypts, once established in your tank (6-8 weeks or so) can grow remarkably fast. I had one melt completely and was shocked to see how much it recovered after about 10 days or so.

Your Echinodorus bleheri probably has large, oval shaped leaves leaves on long stems. In about a month, these will start to be replaced by longer, thinner, darker green sword-shaped leaves.

What are your plans for fish?
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