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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-26-2015, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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Water changes. How is filling your tank with a hose possible without death to Fish?

I have seen videos in which someone takes a water siphon hose such as a python or other brand and takeout 50% of their water then just refill it all and throw some Dechlorinator chemical after the fact.

I have a few question about this.

1. How does the temperature shock not kill the fish? Do they use an aquarium heater to match the temperature coming from the hose ahead of time?

2. How does the Chlorine or Chloramines from the tap water not kill the fish and beneficial bacteria on biological filters( I have a biological filter sponge inside the tank) on the spot before the Dechlorinator has a chance to work?

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Been using pythons for 20 years or so and yes, I try to approximate the temperature at the tap. As long as the temperatures are close - within say 10 degrees or so, it works fine.

As to the chloramines/chlorine etc. I usually add the water conditioner as the new water starts to get to the tank, but I know other people add it afterwards. The beneficial bacteria are a lot tougher than most people give them credit for being, and adding 50% new water may not contain enough to harm the majority. To play it safe and avoid issues simply add the water conditioner as the new water begins to get to the tank.

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I add enough prime directly to the tank to treat the size of the whole tank not just new water.

I turn my filter off, and turn my power head on once the water level gets high enough. And turn the filter on a few minutes later.
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I was a bit hesitant about this method as well but I tried it for the first time last week and this fish seemed absolutely fine with it.

Once 50% of the water was out I added enough water condition to treat the whole volume of my tank. Then I brought my aquarium thermometre over to the tap and made sure that the water filling the tank was close to the regular tank temperature.
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Chloramine isn't nearly as toxic as chlorine. If your city uses chloramine you don't have too much to worry about. If you have a basic understanding of chemistry read this:Dealing with chlorine and chloramine | The Skeptical Aquarist
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Drain fast, fill slow.

I fill slow enough where i don't really get any temperature changes.


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I have used a python for years. just did a 50% change on my 120. I match the temp at the tap and dose a health amount whilst filling. Never had an issue.
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Chloramine isn't nearly as toxic as chlorine. If your city uses chloramine you don't have too much to worry about. If you have a basic understanding of chemistry read this:Dealing with chlorine and chloramine | The Skeptical Aquarist
Chloramine is made by adding both ammonia and chlorine to the water. In the water they form chloramine. Because chloramine contains both ammonia, which is toxic and chlorine which is toxic, chloramine is also toxic. Chlorine can be quickly outgassed from the water, reducing the time the fish are exposed to it, but chloramine doesn't outgas. That makes chloramine more dangerous than chlorine.

I do as others do - I add enough Prime to treat my whole tankful of water before or just as I start adding the new water to the tank. That has been very effective.

Water temperature isn't nearly as big a problem. I have, at times added about a third of a tank of cold tap water to my tank without even checking its temperature. That makes the tank water temperature drop by 1/3 of the difference between the incoming cold water temperature and the tank temperature. If that difference is 20F, for example, the tank water will be about 7F colder after the water change, or from 78F down to 71F, and that is not a serious problem for most fish, since the water does warm back up pretty quickly. My tap water is generally at about 60F, or higher, so the actual difference is even less.

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We're on a well, so now chlorine. Sometimes I'll add straight from the tap to my larger tanks. Adding 50 gallons to a 125g tank, even with cold water only, doesn't drop the temperature enough to hurt most fish. In nature, a heavy rainstorm can drop the water temp 5 degrees or more.

When the hose starts pumping cold water in, many of my fish come over and "dance" in the flow. They seem to love it. For my smaller tanks, I add less and slower. Alternately, I also have a 45 gallon rubber trash can on wheels. I can add water into that and let it sit for a couple of days and have room temp water which doesn't lower the tanks much at all (and my fish still like it).
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I use an infrared heat gun to match the faucet water temperature to the temperature of the tank. The one I use is either HDE heat gun, or zoomed heat gun. It's basically an infrared thermometer
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A finger is a remarkably accurate thermometer for temperatures in the 60-90F range. I dip mine in the tank water and use that to match the change water to that temperature. If it is accurate to within 5F it is plenty accurate.

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I've always just used the outside garden hose to fill up my tanks. never had fish deaths from water changes.
even in the winter months here in texas, i just let it flow from the hose until I can feel the warmer water from the pipes underground hit my fingers, and right into the tank it goes.
i just guess the amount of prime I should use and that's that.
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I've used Pythons for over 10 years. They makes water changes a charm! When I use them at home I'm on well water, so I don't have to use dechlorinators. When I used them in the industry, I'd match water temps from the faucet and dechlor pre fill and then fill.
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As others have already said just add water conditioner as you fill. I actually use a food thermometer to test the water temp at the tap and get it within a degree of the tank. Then I begin to fill and add the conditioner at the same time. Some of the fish will even come play in the current generated by the incoming water. And even swimming directly in the new water they are perfectly fine each time. I've yet to see any harm or stress from filling from the tap.
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Good info. I was trying to figure this out myself. I have a water line running from my cold water line with an inline water filter to my tank. Does anyone do water in water out filling? If so when do you add prime?
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