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Question wwhat am I suppose to do ??

Im planning on doing a low-tech low light tank which is a 20 gallon high with mineralized top soil as substrate. There is not a local source for co2 around where I live and I done know what im suppoase to do as far as co2. People have told me I wont need co2 but I think I would be better off if I had some kind of it . I dont want to hassle with diy co2 so im looking for suggestions . Once I know I can do the planted tank thing I will be making my own 40 gallon long tank as an upgrade.

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low tech and low light wont need the co2.

what lights are you running, what plants are you getting
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You definitely don't need CO2, especially with low-light. But that being said, CO2 only helps things, regardless of the amount of light. So when you're ready, I highly recommend you visit greenleafaquariums.com to purchase a system. The owner, Orlando, is a frequent poster here, and I think you'll find him very helpful. I know I did!

DIY co2 sucks (even though it does work), and I think it's safe to say I'll never bother with that mess ever again!
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low tech and low light wont need the co2.

what lights are you running, what plants are you getting
2 x 14 watts of t5 lighting here is a link to my light fixture
http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...lestriplight24

As for plants I was thinking Java fern-neddle leaf, Anubias, Crypts, Rotola green Narrow and Downi.
I dont want too many plants because I want room for fish and mabye some shrimp
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You definitely don't need CO2, especially with low-light. But that being said, CO2 only helps things, regardless of the amount of light. So when you're ready, I highly recommend you visit greenleafaquariums.com to purchase a system. The owner, Orlando, is a frequent poster here, and I think you'll find him very helpful. I know I did!

DIY co2 sucks (even though it does work), and I think it's safe to say I'll never bother with that mess ever again!
There is no place local to get co2 refilled where I am Thats the problem and I didnt want to go the DIY co2 route are there any other options ?

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2 x 14 watts of t5 lighting here is a link to my light fixture
T5 lighting is quite a bit more efficient than T12 lighting (of which the WPG guideline was based on). As a result, you may only have 1.4 WPG, but in reality, with T5 lighting, you have quite a bit more light.

This increase in light may bump you up to the point where you will need CO2. If you really don't want CO2, perhaps you could raise your lights a few inches higher.

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There is no place local to get co2 refilled where I am Thats the problem and I didnt want to go the DIY co2 route are there any other options ?
I would first check the phone book for any companies that deal with or sell: homemade beer, fire extinguishers or welding. These kind of stores usually will have CO2 tanks and/or refills available.

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See if there are any homebrew places, that is where I get mine filled.

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T5 lighting is quite a bit more efficient than T12 lighting (of which the WPG guideline was based on). As a result, you may only have 1.4 WPG, but in reality, with T5 lighting, you have quite a bit more light.

This increase in light may bump you up to the point where you will need CO2. If you really don't want CO2, perhaps you could raise your lights a few inches higher.

I would first check the phone book for any companies that deal with or sell: homemade beer, fire extinguishers or welding. These kind of stores usually will have CO2 tanks and/or refills available.
I believe Hoppy said this light fixture would keep me in the low to low medium light.



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See if there are any homebrew places, that is where I get mine filled.

Already checked I live out in the sticks lol
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... Already checked I live out in the sticks lol
Buy a big CO2 cylinder like a 20 Lbs one. This way you won't have to go into town but once a year or maybe longer. Someone recently purchased a 30 lbs one really, really cheap.

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Downoi has reputation for being difficult... I wish you luck with it but don' be too disappointed if it dies...

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Buy a big CO2 cylinder like a 20 Lbs one. This way you won't have to go into town but once a year or maybe longer. Someone recently purchased a 30 lbs one really, really cheap.
Thats an idea Ill have to consider seriously Ill have to check some other places like in lower part of Tennesse for co2 refillers. I wouldnt mind the drive if it will last that long.

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Downoi has reputation for being difficult... I wish you luck with it but don' be too disappointed if it dies...
Im not excepting it to do to well but its one I have to try Ill probably try about 2-3 stems of it just to see if it will make it. Like I said I dont want plant too heavily.

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Flourish Excel will work fine for a low-moderate tank, and won't be terribly expensive for a 20 gallon tank. You can buy it online from BigAls or Dr.s Foster & Smith, with one of them usually offering a good price for large jugs of the stuff.

One potential "problem" when you buy a big tank of CO2 is that it takes a very small leak to cause the loss of all of that CO2 in a week or two. Anytime you use pressurized CO2 you have to be very careful about leak checking if you want to get full use of the CO2 you are buying.

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Excel works fine!

Soda machines! Go to a restaurant or fastfood...and ask who refills the CO2 tanks on their soda machines. Usually they have 20# tanks. There's a McDonalds or B. King almost everywhere.


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There *has* to be a welding shop nearby you, I don't care how out in the sticks you are! Don't people in the boonies have to weld from time to time?

My cousin is a welder and he lives in one of the most rural, backwoods places remaining in Florida, so I think if you search around you'll find SOMEONE who can refill a CO2 tank for you.
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