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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-23-2015, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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Whats eating my amazon leaves.

Have just rejuvenated my planted tank, new substrate, Amazon swords, anubias, java fern & moss but something is eating the sword. Fish are....Flag cichlids, black widow tetras, tiger barbs, cherry barbs, rainbow shark, zebra and clown loach, kribensis, bristlenose plec and spotted catfish. I'm edging towards the flags cichlids or rainbow shark. Any ideas?
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-23-2015, 04:09 PM
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Have you ruled out melting or nutrient deficiencies leading to the holes/damaged plants?

If so, as for livestock I think your hunches (my hunch as well) might be right, but can't say for certain (never kept said species and no knowledge on them).
I have also heard some people saying their BN plecos damaging plant leaves (I don't think they were eating the leaves, rather they were just cleaning off algae, but damaged the leaves in the process). I've seen my cherry barbs much of decaying plant material, but not eating any healthy plants.
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Are they new Amazon swords? Perhaps they were grown emersed, and the leaves are dying off now that it's submersed. If so, new leaves will grow in that may be less appetizing to your fish.

And you could try putting some blanched veggies like zucchini in the tank. If you feed your fish veggies, they may be less inclined to munch on your plants.

Bump: Also...clown loaches will definitely eat live plants. Don't believe those web sites that say clown loaches don't eat plants. They do. I could hear them crunching across the room when I kept them in a planted tank.
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I believe you need 5 post to put pictures in a post but one would help on this.

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Don't think nutrients are the problem as brand new plants in brand new aqua soil and substrate enriched with iron. I've had varying success with amazons for ages now since I put in clown loaches so could be the clown loaches but their my snail guardians....Had a real previous problem with pest snails which has lead to the scaping from scratch. I have a picture of the tank in my profile taken yesterday.
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My bristlenoses eat sword leaves. Leaves sharp edged holes in the plants.

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Try this...brand new plant 4 days in tank....
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If it's a brand new plant, I'm guessing it was grown emersed and is adjusting to its new submerged life.

Amazon sword plants (and many others) are famous for this. They are grown with their roots in the water and their leaves in air. No worries about CO2 injection, snails, or algae. But when you put them in your aquarium, the leaves die. The emersed leaves are no use underwater. The plant will grow new leaves that are suited to submersion, but it may take awhile. Be patient. Bet it will look fine in a couple of months.

This happened to me when I was a newbie. I had stocked my tank with mystery snails, were supposed to eat dead or dying plants, but never healthy growing ones. Imagine my horror when I saw them eating my brand new, beautiful Amazon sword. But when I reached in to try and rescue the plant, the leaf came off in my hand. It looked bright green and healthy, but it was dead. The plant was shedding its emersed leaves. I couldn't tell, but the snails could.
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Ok I hope so....Ill keep an eye on the fish for nibblers in the mean time.
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Try this...brand new plant 4 days in tank....
Could be just adaption, but to me that looks exactly what my BN plecs did.

The damage I usually see from new plants adapting is more like what you see from too much light without co2. You gradually get transparent patches, then they turn into holes and eventually the leaf dies. Not sharp edged angular bits missing like in your pic.
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Could be just adaption, but to me that looks exactly what my BN plecs did.

The damage I usually see from new plants adapting is more like what you see from too much light without co2. You gradually get transparent patches, then they turn into holes and eventually the leaf dies. Not sharp edged angular bits missing like in your pic.
Agreed, but often fish (and snails) will eat dying plant leaves when they would leave healthy plants alone.

My adapting Amazons never got a chance to "melt," because they were eaten well before they got to that stage. The new leaves were not chewed on.
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Don't think its the BN Plecos because male never moves of his wood but female is more active. They have been in all my planted tanks and before no problems with amazon leaves. Only a problem since flag cichlids and clown loaches introduced. Hoping adaptation is the cause, but flags are going anyway as converting to large school of tetras.
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My clown loaches generally preferred softer plants like Hygrophila, but they would chomp on amazon sword leaves sometimes. They left distinctive v-shaped holes in the leaves.
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A hungry loach might eat the sword. I don't own that fish, but I was given some swords from a friends who has them and he said they would always much on the leaves. The plants I received looked very similar to those marks in your picture when I first got them.

I've also heard about plecos doing the same thing (although I haven't witnessed this).
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For what it's worth, I have a school of 9 clown loaches, currently between 3"-6" and none of them have even touched a plant. Never seen them much on decaying plants either and I do fast all my fish, usually one day a week, occasionally two days a week, so you would think they would be hungry enough. No signs of damage. But I don't have any swords. It's a low tech tank with java ferns, anubias, pygmy chain swords, crypts, and a couple species of easy ludwigia. My pleco never munches on the plants either, just on Malaysian driftwood, tank walls and décor, but he's not a ancistrus pleco.
Just my personal experience, not saying the others experience are not true.
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