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Growing plants awards program explanation please

Hi all.

I really like the idea behind the 'growth program' I see in many clubs in the states..

But the concept eludes me..
I mean, how does it work..
How do you get people involved
what sentiments do people have?

Can someone sit me down and explain the whole thing in nice round words... :-)

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I assume you're talking about plant "clubs" or "societies"
People get together and talk about setting up aquariums, plants, experiences, fish, and trade/ sell plants that they have grown.

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yes.

But clubs have growth award programs..
and breeding programs..

Where people try and grow a certain plant.. to gain points? awards?

I'm not asking for an explanation of what a club is..

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Oh, sorry. I misunderstood you. I have never heard of a plant growth program.

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I haven't either. Maybe its a denmark thing?
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Hi.

No, it isn't.. that's the problem...
well not problem..

something here:

http://www.aquarium.mn/main/index.ph...157&Itemid=123

and here:_

http://www.calgaryaquariumsociety.co...wards_HAP.html

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Yes, many clubs have awards programs in place. It encourges people to stretch and grow in their hobby and rewards them for their success. This helps the hobby in the long run.

I can't speak to how other clubs work but I belong to the Atlanta Area Aquarium Association and we have programs for breeding fish and growing aquatic plants. BAP - Breeders awards program and HAP - Horticulturists awards program. Basically there is a point system set up for each species of fish and each species of aquatic plant. With the fish we have to bring in at least 5 of the fry along with a data sheet on the breeding and place the fish in a auction we have at the end of each meeting. With the plants we have to bring in a quanity of the plant species that we have propogated along with a data sheet and place them in the auction. We then recieve the points for those species. At predetermined levels of points we receive a plaque for our accomplishments. Because of these programs we have a lot of different species of fish and plants being raised and grown by our club members. We have fish and plants that you will never see in a LFS and because there are so many of us trying to acheive these goals a lot of the fish and plants are pretty plentiful and therefore we can get them at the auction much cheaper than at a LFS. For example, at our meeting last week I picked up two bags of fish for $5 a bag. The first was 11 adult hemichromis lifalili (jewel cichilids) and the second was 9 adult Labidochromis caeruleus (yellow labs).

There are also a couple of other ways we can accumulate points. We can submit articles for our monthly newsletter or we can provide a talk for our monthly meeting. You can see how these programs increase the knowledge base of a large group of people and help promote and grow the hobby. With all this breeding and growing going on we also hold a day long auction twice a year where you can pick up some really great deals on fish and plants.

Here is a link to our homepage. Click on the BAP and HAP links at the top of the page and it will give greater detail of the programs.
http://www.atlantaaquarium.com/

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The BAP is generally much more popular than plant's HAP's in most societies.

HAP is really who brings in lots of plants to the auctions.....that's more what they care, rather than how did you breed this one species of fish.

Plants all grow pretty much for the same similar reasons, some are a bit easier than others etc, but overall, the plant growing is not as hard.

Fish require a certain number to breed often times, plants grow asexually, few on this or any list have EVER done sexual breeding of plants, it's nothing but clones.

Compared to breeding fish (BAP), it's(HAP) like buying a fish and growing it up 2-3x it's size from being a fry and calling it the same thing.

It's not, most can grow a fish, fewer can breed them.
So they are not equivalent IMO/IME.

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The BAP is generally much more popular than plant's HAP's in most societies.
While I would certainly agree with this, I would have to add that our association up until recently was primarilary a "fish" club. In the last year or so the number of planted tanks members has grown dramatically. Due to this the HAP program is becoming very popular and a lot of fish only people have become interested in plants also.

Not so sure I would agree entirely with HAP being that different than BAP. Probably is somewhat easier to get points for plants. With the HAP program you shouldn't be growing out plants and bringing them to auction. You should have to be proprogating new plants to submit. I can throw a couple of guppies in a tank and have BAP points in no time with little effort and I can plant some stems of Ludwigia in a tank and in a couple of weeks have cutting proprogated for points. On the other hand there are fish that have a lot more requirments as you suggested and there are also plants that are not as easy to proprogate and take considerable more time. For the fish you may have to work with water temp, ph, hardness ect to get them to breed and with the plant you may have to work with light, Co2 and ferts to get it to proprogate. If you are in a established club having the right number of fish shouldn't be a big issue. There are always fish available to get the right numbers.

From a personal standpoint both of these programs provide me with some valuable resources. Atlanta has a very limited number of aquatic stores. The nature of the programs means I have the ability to get plants and fish that I would not normally find locally and we have a growing large base of members that have excellent first hand experience that I can learn from. In the long run the hobby is enriched.

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