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U.S. Customs confinscated my moss.

I orded moss on two seperate occasions from Singapore. The first time went off without hitch. The second time (today) I recieved a empty evelope with a letter stating customs confinscated it. I'm a little ticked I'm out $10. The letter don't state why other then saying "prohibited materail".

Anyone else ever has plants confinscated by customs?
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I ordered some starmoss from ebay (Hong Kong dealer) about 6 months ago and waited over a month for it to ship. Turned out customs had it all along and decided to keep it for an extended period, just because they can. I got the package 2 months later with some tried up patches of brown dirt. The plants were released, but all dead. The supplier sent me a new package and came through with no problems. I guess it's hit or miss with customs.


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Well considering you're breaking the law, and they didn't charge you with smuggling you probably should think about buying plants in the USA, or getting the Phyto cert with your orders.

On a separate note, what moss can't you get in the USA? Star moss is not an aquatic moss.

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On a separate note, what moss can't you get in the USA? Star moss is not an aquatic moss.

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Apparently I found that out the hard way. It did not grow at all in my tank so after 2 months I tossed it out. It looked very nice on there pic with the little CRS on top of it lol.


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Well considering you're breaking the law, and they didn't charge you with smuggling you probably should think about buying plants in the USA, or getting the Phyto cert with your orders.

On a separate note, what moss can't you get in the USA? Star moss is not an aquatic moss.

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How is it breaking the law? It was declared. The first shipment had no problem.
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We don't seem to have this issue in the UK.
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Well considering you're breaking the law, and they didn't charge you with smuggling you probably should think about buying plants in the USA, or getting the Phyto cert with your orders.

On a separate note, what moss can't you get in the USA? Star moss is not an aquatic moss.

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How can it be a smuggling when it was declared?
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How can it be a smuggling when it was declared?
But was it declared as aquatic plants? I ordered from aqmagic once and they declared it as "SOFT TOY"

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How can it be a smuggling when it was declared?
Not sure if it would be considered smuggling if the species is legal in the US. In order to bring plants into the country legally, they do need to be accompanied by a phytosanitary certificate, to prove they are pest free.

Any company that isn't charging a ton of money for shipping and paperwork to ship internationally is skirting the law.


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Apparently I found that out the hard way. It did not grow at all in my tank so after 2 months I tossed it out. It looked very nice on there pic with the little CRS on top of it lol.
All you had to do was one simple search... you wasted your money and broke some laws... crazy.

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How is it breaking the law? It was declared. The first shipment had no problem.
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How can it be a smuggling when it was declared?
Was it properly declared with the correct paperwork?

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But was it declared as aquatic plants? I ordered from aqmagic once and they declared it as "SOFT TOY"
Bingo! Or how about when some other member was exporting shrimp to the USA with bags of shrimp flavored snacks over the bags of shrimp?

Here is the last paragraph of a quote from the swap n' shop sticky on FNW and whatnot, good reading for everyone (the whole thread) so here is the link

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Well folks, here is the official declaration from the USDA on this issue. Its a bit long, but I hope all get something out of this (at least from an awareness stance).

... [cut for space more or less]


There are ways for individuals to obtain foreign material legally,
anyone can apply for an import permit. Anyone can collect from the wild
as long as the host country does not mind or has authorized it. Everyone
must have a phytosanitary certificate from the exporting to import plant
material into the USA. Lots of 13 or more require that the material be
cleared through a USDA Plant Inspection Station. We are concerned about
the "Stuff" that may hitch hike with the plants. Eggs of large macro
pests. Snails. Spores of diseases this type of non desired plant
material additions.

Links for information:

Permits: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_heal.../nursery.shtml

Plant Imports:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_exp...ts/index.shtml

William D. Aley
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Office (301) 734-8758,
Fax: (301) 734-3225
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/permit...s/nursery.html

Also, if you want to talk to someone who has much more experience in this area than I Robert Hudson has lots of stuff to say on the topic.

Just a heads up if anything, I heard that people are being fined for repeat offense these days...

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In order to bring plants into the country legally, they do need to be accompanied by a phytosanitary certificate, to prove they are pest free.
(My emphasis); plants need a phytosanitary certificate when being imported into the US (as well as Canada). Even if they are declared as live plants, as long as they do not have this paperwork, they can be confiscated.

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We don't seem to have this issue in the UK.
Actually, I've heard that illegally importing plants into the UK is worse than over here if you're cracked down on. In the UK all plants are required to have a copper dip after their imported (legally) before they can be sold.

Needless to say, at least a few people's shrimp weren't happy.

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All you had to do was one simple search... you wasted your money and broke some laws... crazy.
What law did I break? I'm very curious to see where you got your info. I'm guessing it's not necessarily the noxious weed question but more a pathogenic or parasitic prevention for entering the US?


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What law did I break? I'm very curious to see where you got your info. I'm guessing it's not necessarily the noxious weed question but more a pathogenic or parasitic prevention for entering the US?
check out the sources he listed in post #11





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