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Can I hardscape my tank now?

I have not ordered my plants yet(mostly moss).

Can I fill the tank with eco complete, water, and driftwood(boiled) now? Or would the water leach the nutrients out of the eco complete without any plants in the tank? Just wondering if I can design the tank a week or two prior to the plants coming.
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I'd say go for it and start cycling. Don't blast it with light for hours on end. Better off with no light until plants. Even if nutrients come out of the eco complete they'll still be in the water column, they're not going to go anywhere. Plus you said mostly moss, they'll be pulling nutrients from the water column anyway.
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I'd say go for it and start cycling. Don't blast it with light for hours on end. Better off with no light until plants. Even if nutrients come out of the eco complete they'll still be in the water column, they're not going to go anywhere. Plus you said mostly moss, they'll be pulling nutrients from the water column anyway.
Just wondering, but what exactly happens in cycling? Do you need to cycle water that has been sititng in a bucket for a few days?(to evaporate the chlorine).
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Cycling is establishing the good bacteria colonies that take fish waste(ammonia) and convert it to nitrite. A second type of bacteria convert nitrite into nitrate which is safer for fish and food for plants.

There's tons of information on the forums about fishless cycling, search around!
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Just wondering, but what exactly happens in cycling? Do you need to cycle water that has been sititng in a bucket for a few days?(to evaporate the chlorine).
You need to read this:
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...97#post1960797

take the time - READ IT. This will save you a lot of heartache and dead fish

Cycling happens to your tank, not the water. Yes put the hardscape in, don't be in a hurry to get fish. The 'Cycling" is the nitrogen cycle - you are trying to grow beneficial bacteria on all the surfaces in the tank that will be part of your natural biological filter. This bacteria converts the ammonia in fish waste in something less poisonous.

Water doesn't cycle - some people 'age' their water, but you need a chemical additive to neutralize the chlorine. Why? Chlorine is already not good for fish (like drinking bleach) and when it combines with the ammonia that is going to be created in the water it makes something even more poisonous.

The whole idea is to turn very harmful substances into much less harmful ones that you then remove with regular water changes.


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Agreed with above. Chlorine will gas out of water if you let it sit as you're already doing, however you have no way of knowing if it's all gassed out or not. Dechlorinator would be essential.
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Appreciate the link, I'll get to reading.
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PS: Plant anytime you want! It's the fish that need a cycled tank


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so you know, there are no nutrients in eco complete. it is an inert substrate that has the ability to store nutrients, but it itself does not contain any.

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so you know, there are no nutrients in eco complete. it is an inert substrate that has the ability to store nutrients, but it itself does not contain any.

hardscape away
I'm confused. The label says it contains nutrients for plants.

By the way, can the bacteria that comes with eco complete be used to cycle the tank? Or do I still need to buy pure ammonia?

EDIT: Would "API Stress-Zyme" bacteria be good to get the bacteria started? I'm reading from the link that I could also take the filter cartridge used in another tank and just put it in the tank I'm cycling.

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I'm confused. The label says it contains nutrients for plants.

By the way, can the bacteria that comes with eco complete be used to cycle the tank? Or do I still need to buy pure ammonia?

EDIT: Would "API Stress-Zyme" bacteria be good to get the bacteria started? I'm reading from the link that I could also take the filter cartridge used in another tank and just put it in the tank I'm cycling.
don't concern yourself with any of the stuff they say is in it.

eco complete is a great substrate, I've been using it for years. the consensus is that it's just crushed lava rock. it has the ability to store a lot of nutrients, but it itself is not nutrient rich.

I've never worried about adding bacteria, they happen naturally. If you want, you can toss a little ammonia into the tank to get things started. Personally... I've always just let nature take its course, so to speak.

Once you get your plants in there, they'll come with the beneficial bacteria on them already and will help strengthen your tanks filtration abilities.

Don't over think it.


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