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help with tonina belem

I just got some super healthy belem from a friend (tom barr) and its starting to look raggy in my tank for unkown reasons. I have about 5.5 wpg CFL, adequate pressurized co2, heavy EI ferts, ADA aquasoil, kh around 4, very good flow/ filtration and it still isn't looking good. would adding muriatic acid to my tank to lower the kh help? I really don't want to invest in a RO unit for a 17 gallon tonina tank lol. could this plant be going through some kinda of transitional stage from going from one tank environment to another? any help would be greatly appreciated
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I'm also having this problem and would love to know the answer.
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I would start by lowering KH, dose some K (btw what is K ppm now) and also make sure Co2 is indeed adequate. Everything else seems up to speed, so I would work with that for now.


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I've grown them just fine in a KH4, if NPK, TE are in
place, which is the very simple part, your C02 is not
where it should be for the amount of light you burn.

Lots and lots of folks have problems with C02.

Reduce light some or increase C02, or do both.
Add some Excel for C02 aide temporarily.

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thanks for the help guys im quite positive co2 is adequate however I will increase my co2 and see what happenes I think my problem is KH I have a powerhead shooting co2 into the tank with holes I put in the impeller and co2 is at a fine mist throughout the entire tank. plus my drop checker is yellow which usually means theres too much co2 but lets see if adding more helps
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I have a powerhead shooting co2 into the tank with holes I put in the impeller and co2 is at a fine mist throughout the entire tank
And we are sure it's not shooting bubbles into the DC...right? Generally in small tanks I mount my DC very low 1"~2" above substrate to help prevent the bubbles from really messing things up. Any higher you are asking for trouble...especially with mist.


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And we are sure it's not shooting bubbles into the DC...right? Generally in small tanks I mount my DC very low 1"~2" above substrate to help prevent the bubbles from really messing things up. Any higher you are asking for trouble...especially with mist.

okay Ill make sure to lower it thanks for the advise

its an ADA 60p so its a pretty small tank
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Why on earth do you have a power head in a 60P?
That is the worst way you can go for a C02 diffuser
especially in a small tank.

Seriously the power head is junk for this.
To me, this is like putting an ashtray on a motorcycle
or jet ski.

You don't need 6wpg to grow Tonina either,
You need good C02 and soft water.

I would completely rework the C02 setup to something
that is more effective, plants never lie.

Your next water change, go to store and buy 10g of distilled water
and try that along with reworking C02.

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To me, this is like putting an ashtray on a motorcycle
or jet ski.
I love it ..... it makes perfect sense though


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Recently I've bought two Tonina's: belem and fluvalis (sp?). Both looked great on arrival but got pretty ratty after 3-4 days. But now the new growth coming out the top of both looks great. After another week or so I anticipate snipping down about an inch or two below the newer nice growth and replanting. I just sense they do not like to be transported and out of a tank and substrate much. Follow the advice given above and see how the tips looks in 4-5 days.
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Might just take a little adapting time.

The Tonia I have grows like mad.
All 3 common species.

It's a weekly or at the least, 2-3x a month trim job.
The tap should be similar although my KH might be a tad less is all.

Still, a CO2 issue seems to me.


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a CO2 issue seems to me.
Going yoda on us Tom
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Going yoda on us Tom
LOL!

A CO2 issue you have, young Jedi.
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Why on earth do you have a power head in a 60P?
That is the worst way you can go for a C02 diffuser
especially in a small tank.

Seriously the power head is junk for this.
To me, this is like putting an ashtray on a motorcycle
or jet ski.
what would you consider more effective?

I have a normal glass ADA diffuser should I put that back in? The only problem I found that that one is that the co2 never makes it to the other end of the tank, the bubbles just kinda float to the top and thats the end of it

I have the power head becuase it does a great job at getting co2 throughout the entire tank. any advice for diffusing co2 a better way would be greatly appreciated becuase I hate the look of the bulky powerhead anyways

Today I noticed the new growth at the top of the plant is totally healthy and the old growth this the stuff thats looking raggy.

Im considering hacking it down and just planting the new growth.

its only been about 4 days since its been in its new tank so My guess is its adapting to its new environment.
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My experience is similiar to Tom. I think it's an adaptive issue once tonina is adjusted it would grow out of control.
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