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Cheaper Carbon Alternative ?

Prolly gonna be a silly question but can the Cheap BBQ charcoal that doesn't have lighter fluid on it be used in place of carbon?
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I would not use it, but there may be other options.

Why do you think you need carbon?
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i would not use it if you read the label carefully you will see it not just regular charcoal its Activated charcoal. my advice is if you want it cheap find a online vendor. http://www.tbaquatics.com/shop/index...e06cb654844b07 these guys are pretty cheap. i like the carbon i get from them its easy to clean and a nice size
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I would not use it, but there may be other options.

Why do you think you need carbon?

I think all tanks benefit from carbon, it drastically improves water quality.
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i would not use it if you read the label carefully you will see it not just regular charcoal its Activated charcoal. my advice is if you want it cheap find a online vendor. http://www.tbaquatics.com/shop/index...e06cb654844b07 these guys are pretty cheap. i like the carbon i get from them its easy to clean and a nice size
NICE site find really cheap thanks man!
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I haven't used it in years.
My local buddies don't use it either (planted or not).
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Prolly gonna be a silly question but can the Cheap BBQ charcoal that doesn't have lighter fluid on it be used in place of carbon?
I was told that you can reuse charcoal just bake in the oven at about 400 degrees when it is all dry its ready to refill.
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I don't use any activated carbon in my tank unless it's a newly setup tank or I'm worried about water quality or something "bad" in there. For example, if I get a used tank I'll run activated carbon for a little bit to make sure there aren't any medicines still lurking in there.

I'm no scientist here, but I'm pretty sure activated carbon removes micronutrients (including Iron!) from planted tanks and should generally be avoided unless nescessary.

As an alternative to activated carbon, you might consider Seachem's Purigen, which is a resin which removes excess organics from the water and polishes quite nicely. It doesn't have any measurable effect on dosed chemicals.

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I was told that you can reuse charcoal just bake in the oven at about 400 degrees when it is all dry its ready to refill.
I think that's how that works.

If you can find natural wood charcoal.. I'd think that would work ($8/bag) . No added chemicals and binders like a brisket charcoal. And wood charcoal is mighty tasty on meats.

Although aquarium charcoal is better in terms of the grain size.. If you try to smash charcoal, it'll turn to dust most likely.


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it is the same element, but not the same stuff at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon


It can't be "reactivated" by baking it in the oven or any other method in the home...read how it is made and processed to make it "Active"

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question209.htm
http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed....ys/ae1029w.htm

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Seachem has a product that is less aggressive than activated carbon or Purigen called Renew™. I don't know if you would like to try it though. It removes some of the compounds that we use for EI dosing.

It is recommended for use planted aquariums although it might be an "old technology" product. http://www.seachem.com/products/prod...ges/Renew.html

Renew™ is ideal for use in systems where phosphate released from all activated carbons poses a problem. Renew™ is also less aggressive than carbon, making it well suited for reefs and planted aquaria. It is also beneficial for use in soft water aquaria where the pH-raising property of many carbons is not an asset. Renew™ will remove organics and particulates in the sub-micron range; it will also help control ammonia, nitrates, and phosphates. This product is sold by volume. Cited weight is minimal weight.

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