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Wish Me Luck - Cycle Starts Tomorrow

Wish me luck.

Tomorrow i will start to cycle my (my daughters ) Fluval Spec V. I have the tank setup, i de-chlorinated the water with prime over 24 hours ago. I have CaribSea Eco Complete with a little sand down. I put a few plants in today.

Tomorrow i will dump the Tetra Safe Start + in the tank to start cycling.
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Wish me luck.

Tomorrow i will start to cycle my (my daughters ) Fluval Spec V. I have the tank setup, i de-chlorinated the water with prime over 24 hours ago. I have CaribSea Eco Complete with a little sand down. I put a few plants in today.

Tomorrow i will dump the Tetra Safe Start + in the tank to start cycling.
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Sounds like you are prepared.

The fastest way to success is patience.

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Ok,

Yesterday i put a whole bottle of TSS+ in my tank, after a few hours i went to the pet store to get a few fish to cycle with after reading a TSS Q/A with a Tetra representative. I acclimated the fish to my tank, i fed them.

Fast forward to today. I checked my water quality approximately 24 hours after the fish being introduced. My ammonia level was only at 0.25 PPM at best and everything else was 0. Does this sound right?
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It's usually more humane to the fish to cycle the tank without them in there. Ammonia is generally bad for fish and a high enough amount will kill them though if you have enough plants and do frequent enough water changes it can work, at least according to what I've heard others say. I know nothing about how well this TSS+ or even what it is, but keep an eye on those ammonia levels. It does seem correct that you wouldn't see anything else at this point. It takes time for the bacteria which convert the ammonia into nitrite, and then, nitrate to populate.

If you haven't I would suggest reading a guide on fishless cycling of a tank vs fish in and make your decision on how you want to proceed.
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Tetra safestart is great and you should be fine using it. I've started many tanks with it and never had issue. What you're seeing sounds right. Don't do a water changed for two weeks per the bottle unless you get some crazy spikes in ammonia or nitrite. Feed sparingly during this time too every other day.

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It's usually more humane to the fish to cycle the tank without them in there. Ammonia is generally bad for fish and a high enough amount will kill them though if you have enough plants and do frequent enough water changes it can work, at least according to what I've heard others say. I know nothing about how well this TSS+ or even what it is, but keep an eye on those ammonia levels. It does seem correct that you wouldn't see anything else at this point. It takes time for the bacteria which convert the ammonia into nitrite, and then, nitrate to populate.

If you haven't I would suggest reading a guide on fishless cycling of a tank vs fish in and make your decision on how you want to proceed.

Thanks for the feedback however it is a little late to read up on fish-less cycling since i already have the fish. I have read many articles on both ways and know what it takes to do both. I have also read many successful articles using the fish in cycle method with TSS.

Thanks again.
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I also use TSS+ (tetra safe start+) and it has always worked well for me.. In a way these are "beneficial bacteria jump start system" as otherwise it will take sometime for these beneficial bacteria to grow in natural ways and hence this helps reduce the "new tank syndrome".. has live strains of Nitrosomonas, Nitrosospira, and Nitrospira nitryfying bacteria and the details what I vaguely remember reading somewhere is that these are from the original research of pioneering works of legendary Dr. Tim..

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I also use TSS+ (tetra safe start+) and it has always worked well for me.. has live strains of Nitrosomonas, Nitrosospira, and Nitrospira nitryfying bacteria and the details what I vaguely remember reading somewhere is that these are from the original research of pioneering works of legendary Dr. Tim..

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=26269

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Thanks that is what i purchased and used. Do you recall if it took a while to see any numbers in Nitrate/Nitrites?
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things to help with the speed of your cycle would be temp, ph, and food.

If your fed your fish and have .25 ammo then your good. I would only feed tiny bit every 4 days or so. the more your feed the worse off the tank becomes. TSS doesn't need huge ammonia numbers in order to work and with a small tank you can easily overfeed and cause major problems.

Ph ideally would be 7.6-8.2 but if its softer I wouldn't go adding stuff to raise it. best to leave it.

Temp should be around 80 a little more. both of these help BB grow faster.

Don't do a wc unless your ammonia get to be 1-2ppm and same goes with nitrites. nitrates can be 5-20. at this point you should only see nitrates and then your done.

Higher ph = higher toxicity from ammonia. keep this in mind.

what type of fish you get and how many? how big is a spec v anyhow?

expect the cycle to take roughly 10-15 days.

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things to help with the speed of your cycle would be temp, ph, and food.

If your fed your fish and have .25 ammo then your good. I would only feed tiny bit every 4 days or so. the more your feed the worse off the tank becomes. TSS doesn't need huge ammonia numbers in order to work and with a small tank you can easily overfeed and cause major problems.

Ph ideally would be 7.6-8.2 but if its softer I wouldn't go adding stuff to raise it. best to leave it.

Temp should be around 80 a little more. both of these help BB grow faster.

Don't do a wc unless your ammonia get to be 1-2ppm and same goes with nitrites. nitrates can be 5-20. at this point you should only see nitrates and then your done.

Higher ph = higher toxicity from ammonia. keep this in mind.

what type of fish you get and how many? how big is a spec v anyhow?

expect the cycle to take roughly 10-15 days.
I have been holding the fish tank about 80F.
The Fluval Spev V is a 5 gallon tank.
I have two Harlequin Rasbora, and two Cory Catfish.

Bump: So here are my readings so far (attached). They seem a bit odd but this is what i am seeing.

By the way i did feed the fish for three days before i saw a few post recommending not feeding but every other day or every 4 days. I did not feed tonight.
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Do the above values look right?
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