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White spot issue

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my fish have white spot...bloody local lfs I however thing due to my mistake the other day it lowered the immune of the fish and allowed it to get hold.

Will raising the temperature alone rid the tank of it and will it affect plants? If i use medication is there a good one to get?

I got fairly angry with the lfs manager and told him to check his tanks.....



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you'll find a mix of people who like to add salt and raise the temperature of the aquarium and others who like to medicate.
raising the temperature above xx degrees (i forget at what degree) will stop the ich from reproducing. i have a 75 gallon tank and i just think it's a waste of energy to get the temp. that high and keep it there.


i like to medicate and i use kordon's rid ich.
it wont harm the bio filter and its safer for scaleless fish.
they suggest not using it in a tank with invertebrates.
http://www.novalek.com/kordon/ridich/index.htm

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Hi Miso,

will it hurt plants and does it color the water?

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Hi there,

my fish have white spot...bloody local lfs I however thing due to my mistake the other day it lowered the immune of the fish and allowed it to get hold.

Will raising the temperature alone rid the tank of it and will it affect plants? If i use medication is there a good one to get?

I got fairly angry with the lfs manager and told him to check his tanks.....



Regards Darren
Why is it always the fault of the LFS when somebody gets ich in their tanks? Any new fish you get has a chance of infecting your tank with something, most of which are much worse than ich. If you don't QT your fish, you should look no further than the closest mirror for someone to blame. Chances are pretty good that in a store with hundreds or thousands of fish for sale, at least some of them are carrying something nasty. Expecting somebody to ID each of those every time is a bit unrealistic.

To answer the question, many people use a combination of heat + salt to treat ich. Others prefer one of the many formalin / malachite green medications. The later will color the water for a short time and will most likely stain your tank seals. I have found both methods work, especially in conjunction with daily partial waterchanges to keep things clean.

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Thanks Dave,

I appreciate your comments, I asked specifically had they had any deaths, anything suffering the more common diseases. I was told no, I am more annoyed they put the $$$ above all else, yes quarantine would have caught this, I have found another lfs where a friend of my folks works and when asked if they had any R/N tetras I was told they did but they were being treated for white spot. A difference in attitude I can appreciate. As long as they carry quality they will have my business

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I've been there myself. I lost more fish than I care to admit before I learned not to believe everything the sales people told me as well (then it was me that was looking in that mirror with plenty of colorful adjectives).

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Lesson learned lol custom lost and purple water will be attained and colorful language all used up.

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the tank in my sig has seen rid ich before and the plants are fine.
it does discolor the water. the fine print says it may discolor seals but mine look fine.

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Thanks miso, over what period did the color return with water changes?
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I found that the discoloration went away even before doing water changes. The ingredients in those medications break down rather quickly in the tank. That brings up another point or two. If you are using the formalin / malachite green treatment, strong light and/or the presence of organic material will reduce the effectiveness of the treatment. Make sure you keep the tank clean and perhaps lower your lighting level while doing treatment to ensure the meds have a chance to do their work.

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Hi Tank,

I am only running fluros so light should not be an issue, i know what organic material is but inside a tank unsure what you mean?

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Thanks miso, over what period did the color return with water changes?
when you dose the medication you can definately see where its being dosed, but after a while it'll disperse. the color of the water will discolor a bit but not much at all. many people wouldn't even notice. you probably will because you always look at your tank but its not unsightly. if i had to compare it to something, it's like having a bulb with a slight blue tint to it over your tank. i would say after a big water change you'll be fine.

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I am only running fluros so light should not be an issue, i know what organic material is but inside a tank unsure what you mean?

Regards Darren
Excess fish waste and plant debris would be the two most common. Basically, keeping the tank as clean as possible while treating is all you really need to do.

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RidIch+

I just recently used Kordon's Rid Ich+, and it worked great. Introduced a pair of P. taeniatus into my 60 gallon and a week later my cardinal tetra's were covered with ich (yes, I know should have quarantined, but alas...). Just wanted to add that cleaning the filter, and doing a 25-40% water change before each daily treatment is probably beneficial. I also did the treatment before lights out, and ran an airstone at night. Also, it is very important to continue treating 2-3 days AFTER all the white spots are gone, this ensures you are killing all of the parasite. I would also suggest running activated carbon after the treatment to remove residual medication. I have small schools of botia striata and botia sidthimunki that were unaffected by the treatment, and none of the plants seemed to be harmed. Surprisingly, about 2 weeks after treatment the P. taeniatus pair were escorting about 30 fry around the tank. Amazing, not only because of the treatment but that the botia, pig SAEs, tetras did not eat the eggs. Hope this helps, and oh yea the treatment didn't seem to stain the silicone either.
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