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I set up a 10 gallon qt tank tonight because of the fish that have been dying. Today I had a torpedo barb dead and a hillstream loach with a few more tetras. I am using a cycled aquaclear filter on it with no activated carbon in it. No substrate either. I took my angels, rams, torpedo's and celebres rainbows out and put them in the qt tank. How often do I do water changes in it? multiple times a day? or just once a day? Help please

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that sounds like an awful lot of fish in a 10gall, even for a QT tank. I would do AT LEAST one a day with that many fish. Do you have any idea of what my be causing the deaths? with that many fish in the 10gall I would maybe put in some floating plants at least, or some plants in pots to help create some form of hiding spots. As that many fish together in that small of tank may quarrel, espessially the angels. HTH
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I don't think it is too many for a qt tank. what am I supposed to do when I go out and buy fish? not buy the quanitity I need? I was told to just get a qt tank of 10 gallons and get the fish out.. that is what I did.

I believe the fish have tetra disease or some type of parasite. I am using melafix, pimafix and quick cure (which is compatible)

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I don't think it is too many for a qt tank. what am I supposed to do when I go out and buy fish? not buy the quanitity I need? I was told to just get a qt tank of 10 gallons and get the fish out.. that is what I did.

I believe the fish have tetra disease or some type of parasite. I am using melafix, pimafix and quick cure (which is compatible)
No, what you are supposed to do is use some common sense and pace yourself. You don't need to stock your tank in a day. If you have moved fish from your primary tank due to disease issues, you should stop buying new fish until you get the problems solved. After that, buy a few at a time, QT them, and then add them to the primary tank when you feel they are ready. Stocking a tank is not a one time deal and there is no "needed quantity". Patience is the most important trait in getting tank stocked, and if you are having issues and need to move fish to a QT tank in the first place, I would say that is the place to start.

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I am not trying to stock my tank all in one day.. did I say that?? no.. I already had the fish on order and they came in. my lfs told me to put them into quarantine tank with the others and they will be fine. most of the fish that have died have been tetras.. almost all of them were tetras except 2. I have purchased the fish that I have over a 5 month period not in 2 days.

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I am not trying to stock my tank all in one day.. did I say that?? no.. I already had the fish on order and they came in. my lfs told me to put them into quarantine tank with the others and they will be fine. most of the fish that have died have been tetras.. almost all of them were tetras except 2. I have purchased the fish that I have over a 5 month period not in 2 days.
If you already had fish in QT, you should not have added other new fish. I was only addressing the "should I not buy the quantity I needed" point. Five months is nothing. I have spent years stocking tanks and I feel the time was well spent. If you want multiple batches of new fish, then you need multiple QT tanks.

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you might as well use the activated carbon, especially with a high bio-load; you need all the filtration you can get, at least while you're waiting out the 'outbreak.' The extra surface area etc. the activated carbon provides would no doubt be prudent.

That said it is perhaps not the beat idea to purchase fish during a potential (well probable) disease outbreak; as mentioned, fish can be added solely or in small groups as per the condition of your tank. Stocking a tank with one large school of cardinals, for instance, would not be sensible to do in one fail swoop, especially if adding them to an established tank where QT would be necessary; I certainly won't have a QT tank capable of supporting 40+ fish...

Hope things start looking up for you and your fish! I'm sure they'd be glad to know you're trying so diligently to maintain their health and well-being.
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I'd probably do 50% daily with that stocking in a small tank. You may need to do more; keep an eye on your water parameters and that will help.

I agree with Blaze- some hiding spots should help reduce stress as well. Sounds like all the fish you have in there should be able to handle salt- I'd personally throw in a tablespoon of non-iodized salt as a prophylactic? Salt also can help reduce the risk of nitrAte poisoning should the waste products peak while you're at school/work/etc.





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that is basically table salt right?

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I lost 2 of my Rasbora's at water change time. 1 one week and the next the next week. I couldn't figure out what it was. I then checked my tap water and found the city has added whatever to increase the ammonia from .15ppm during the winter to 1ppm now. I even added Prime prior to adding water and made sure the temp was the same.
So, did you check your tap water parameters lately?
I think Prime says it will remove .6ppm at regular dose. So I guess the difference was enough to kill them. Who knows. But the last few water changes didn't hurt anything since I started adding enough Prime to take of 1ppm.
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I do use prime to condition the water when I use it.. but I usually use ro water. I also use novaquel to treat the tap water too

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that is basically table salt right?
No, table salt has iodine plus some other additives.

I use aquarium salt, personally- or pickling or sea salt would work from the grocery store.

I don't like mixing products; is there a certain reason that you're mixing Prime with Novaquel?





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the novaqual has the vitamins that are good for the fish in it. I don't use them together. I use prime for one water change and then novaquel for the next one.. but not both together. I should of stated that better. sorry for the confusion.

I guess I will go out tomorrow and try to get some of that salt.

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Small QT tanks, such as 10 gallon tanks, are usually intended for 1 or maybe 2 small fish. Angels, rams, torpedo's and celebres rainbows is way too much for a 10 gallon tank. Even with adequate hiding spots, you are not giving the fish room to move.

IMO, I would not keep in the fish in there for more than a day. If there are any other fish in the main tank, I would remove them all and place them in another tank or maybe just a put full of used tank water. Once all the fish have been removed, you can probably safely perform a very large WC (75% or more). Add water back with the proper dechlorinator and let the water settle for a few hours, until the temp sets. Then slowly acclimate the fish back into the main tank.
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Aquarium Salt can be quite costy if used all the time. Go to your local grocery store and buy a 50lb bag of salt for household water softeners. You can pick them up for about $14 a 50lb bag. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME SALT!

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