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Water Test kits, help a newbie.

Hello everyone! Im 1 month in this hobby now and have experienced problems like algaes(green dust algae, green spot algae, green thread algae, black brush algae) I really think too much lighting is the main cause but Im not sure, I think I have fix most of my algae problems except for green dust algae(keeps coming back) and black brush algae(very small and unnoticable YET). For a month I only use test strips to test my water but the colors on the strips BARELY change...Either my water quality is ALWAYS very good or test strips are just useless, and since Im a newbie I dont think my water quality is always good..so test strips are just useless.

So yeah Im thinking on spending a little more on this hobby and get a proper test kit. What type of test kit do you think are the most needed and you recommend getting?


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API Master test kit is good but it is very inconvenient and i had a hard time matching colours. Your water might be good. Take it to a local LFS and have them test it and compare the results with yours.
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I know many people use the API master test kit. That said, algae problems are mostly caused by and imbalance of nutrients, CO2, and light. Of course the most common cause with low tech tanks is too much light. What size tank do you have, how long has it been running, and what equipment are you using?
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+1 for the API Master test kit

make sure to get the freshwater version of the kit
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Api test kits are the most common you'll need ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, ph, gh, kh, phosphate. Calibrating the test's you can is important, as far as I know you can only really calibrate nitrates and phosphates.
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I know many people use the API master test kit. That said, algae problems are mostly caused by and imbalance of nutrients, CO2, and light. Of course the most common cause with low tech tanks is too much light. What size tank do you have, how long has it been running, and what equipment are you using?
15 gallon tank,my lighting is "Tetra Premium Led light" its only sold here in japan its specs are 1,670 lumens 10,000 kelvin white led, 460 nm(idk what that means) blue led and its running at 39W. Im running presurrized co2 at 1.5 bubbles per second and using a drop checker.

Also to mention that the fertilizers I use for my plants are Flourish comprehensive(every water change twice a week), Flourish Iron(every day) and Fourish Potassium(every other day).
And for water quality I use Aqua safe(every water change twice a week), some japanese liquid bacteria supplement(I have used it 3 times this month), and another japanese all around liquid supplement that boast to balance Ph, add the right minerals, prevents cloudy water, helps reduce ammonia and helps disintegrate fish wastes(every water change)..
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You may need to add the other macronutrients plants need. Specifically phosphate and nitrate. Are your plants growing well?

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Be careful dosing those nutrients, overdosing will probably be one of your major issues, neither of those are going to show up on your test general API test kit.

I don't dose with macro's personally, but it does sound like you are overdosing your iron and potassium. Try and stick with the more comprehensive Fertilizers these are easier to balance this can be especially hard to balance in the smaller aquariums.

I am currently using Sea-chem Flourish, flourish excel and flourish Tabs and these work great for me, have had no problems with yellowing or wilting. Keep in mind substrate is important as well plants can pull macro nutrients from there, I am using Eco-complete and Fluorite mix this has worked well for me.

Could you link the info for your LED array, 38 watts of LED for a 15 gallon sounds like to much, but 1600 Lumens sounds about right. Something is not adding up in that equation.

Keep in Mind your light cycle is very important, 7-9 hours should be your goal for a photo period, too little or too much will cause problems. If you have not invested in a timer do it now.
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Be careful dosing those nutrients, overdosing will probably be one of your major issues, neither of those are going to show up on your test general API test kit.
You should absolutely be careful dosing these nutrients, especially nitrate. However if the plants don't have enough N, P, and K, they will not grow at their full potential. This can cause algae outbreaks. In my experience it's better to have a little too much NPK than too little as far as algae are concerned.

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10,000 kelvin white led, 460 nm(idk what that means)

Not much to add on the other stuff but this might help.
Kelvin is a kinda/sorta average of what color or frequency of light much of the light. there will be light in other freqs as well.
460 Nano meters if the wavelength of the light-much the same data as the kelvin expressed a different way.
Thought of as ocean waves that were very regular (which they are not!) the frequency would be how many waves per second while wave length would be how far from one wave top to the next??? 'Cept a nano meter is really, really short!
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15 gallon tank,my lighting is "Tetra Premium Led light" its only sold here in japan its specs are 1,670 lumens 10,000 kelvin white led, 460 nm(idk what that means) blue led and its running at 39W. Im running presurrized co2 at 1.5 bubbles per second and using a drop checker.

Also to mention that the fertilizers I use for my plants are Flourish comprehensive(every water change twice a week), Flourish Iron(every day) and Fourish Potassium(every other day).
And for water quality I use Aqua safe(every water change twice a week), some japanese liquid bacteria supplement(I have used it 3 times this month), and another japanese all around liquid supplement that boast to balance Ph, add the right minerals, prevents cloudy water, helps reduce ammonia and helps disintegrate fish wastes(every water change)..
I think your light is definitely linked to your algae problem, it seems like a lot for a 15 gallon tank. Light and co2 are the main culprits behind algae, when those aren't right algae shows up. Liquid ferts are mostly water, dry ferts are much better and cheaper in the long run. Looks like your missing kno3 and phosphates two of the 3 macro nutrients. Although your fish and fish food are probably supplying some. Do the test strips you have test for nitrates and p04? If so, what are your readings? Test strips aren't very accurate but they should tell you if there is something in the water. Seems like you have the micro's down, I don't see the need for daily iron though, as your comprehensive has iron in it. Over dosing potassium isn't a problem, I do it all the time.
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You may need to add the other macronutrients plants need. Specifically phosphate and nitrate. Are your plants growing well?
I like to think that my plants are growing well, I already trimmed some of them because of too much growth, but Im not sure if they really are healthy since this is my first month in this hobby,

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Here is a video I took around 2 weeks ago, my tank is 3 weeks old in this video(plants are planted the first day.Some of my glosso leaves has holes in them, I believe that they got shocked after I did a major trim on them,since it appeared after trimming them)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBjqWYvQYE

aaaaand here is a pic I took this morning(some plants already trimmed couple of times since the video.)


I should also mention that the back part of my tank doesnt grow algae, only my front part since my lighting is sitting in the front part.I just want to make sure that too much lighting are the only cost of it and not imbalance/poor water quality.

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Be careful dosing those nutrients, overdosing will probably be one of your major issues, neither of those are going to show up on your test general API test kit.

I don't dose with macro's personally, but it does sound like you are overdosing your iron and potassium. Try and stick with the more comprehensive Fertilizers these are easier to balance this can be especially hard to balance in the smaller aquariums.

I am currently using Sea-chem Flourish, flourish excel and flourish Tabs and these work great for me, have had no problems with yellowing or wilting. Keep in mind substrate is important as well plants can pull macro nutrients from there, I am using Eco-complete and Fluorite mix this has worked well for me.

Could you link the info for your LED array, 38 watts of LED for a 15 gallon sounds like to much, but 1600 Lumens sounds about right. Something is not adding up in that equation.

Keep in Mind your light cycle is very important, 7-9 hours should be your goal for a photo period, too little or too much will cause problems. If you have not invested in a timer do it now.
Im not sure if I can post a foreign link in this forum but here it is anyway.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%86%E3...ra+premium+led
It automatically turn on and off, the blue leds turn on at 9 am to mimic morning light, at 10 am the white leds will turn on it will stay like that until 8 pm then the white leds turns off leaving the blue led on for 2 more hours to mimic evening light then completely turns off at 10 pm
Its for 60cm(15 gallon) up to 90cm(around 40 gallon) aquariums, they are the most popular aquarium sizes for a normal home in Japan.

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