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Ich?!

Hey guys,

I got some German blue rams, and it seems like they have little white spots ALL over their bodies. Is this ich? I have raised the temp to about 86.7, and did a 40% water change, but have not added salt in.

My question is,
1) is it it safe to add salt to my high tech planted tank? I also have a few discus in the same tank and they seem unaffected.
2) Will the ich eventually spread to the discus?

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i've had rams and it seems like they get ick very easy i just put activated carbon in my filter and he cleared up pretty fast after that. but i think i would take him out of the tank put him in a new tank with the same water and treat him with meds
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1) No
2)Yes

I would treat the whole tank with ick meds because if you QT the ick will stay in your substrate, possibly re infecting the whole tank.

Carbon is really not adivised to treat parasites...it will do nothing. Nate, that must be a coincidence.

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yeah i didn't think it did i think it was something in the water that was stressing the fish
and arn't alot of the meds bad for the plants like copper
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Try an "advanced search" on "ich". There's a lot of informative threads on the subject.

Some recommend salt and/or raised temperatures.
The few times I've dealt with ich, I just cranked the heat slowly into the high 80's for a couple weeks.


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yeah i did read the other articles, but wasnt sure about my plants.

so are ich meds safe for planted tanks?
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yeah i did read the other articles, but wasnt sure about my plants.

so are ich meds safe for planted tanks?
Depends. There are some Ich medications that are copper based; these would not be suitable for a planted tank, as the plants will react adversely to the heavy metal.

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I'm one of those people who always treats ich with non-iodized (aquarium) salt, plants or no plants. IME a short-term salt treatment for ich won't have that much - if any - impact on most plants.

I use a modified salt dosage, 1/2 to 1 tsp of salt per gallon, and I treat for longer- one week after the last visible sign is gone. I add the salt slowly and raise the temp only one to two degrees per day to make sure you don't shock the fish or plants with quick changes.

Here's a great article on ich: http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml





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What I would do is keep the temp at what you have it now, add a pinch of salt, and only dose a quater or half of the recommended ich meds of your choice. Most ich meds are harmful to inverts and plants, and thus should be used carefully. Many people can rid there tanks of ich with just raised temp and salt, those commercial ich meds are overpowered so people who really don't know what they're doing can get rid of ich quickly. We higher educated people have patience, and knowledge enough, to get rid of ich without dumping a bunch of chemicals into our fragile ecosystems. I say go with what you have going now, and dose 1/4 of a weak ich med. Wait a week or two and your ick will be gone.


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use malchite green/ formaldehyde(ie Quick Cure) based meds. Salt has shown only limited results in curing ich.
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Copper kills inverts and can be absorbed into the silicone seams of a tank- meaning you may never be able to keep inverts in the tank ever again.





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Most ich meds kill the benificial bacteria as well, so your tank would start another mini-cycle. Besides, most meds can stress the fish.

I would stay away from ich meds, just raise temps, perform WC, and probably use salt as well. Several years ago, I had ich on 1 of my clown loaches. I just raised the temp, performed WC, used salt, and kept the light off most of the time. My thinking was, ich was caused by stress. If the lights were off, the fish would sleep, less stress. What do we do when we are sick? We try to get some rest. After a week or so, the CL was cured, no fish illnesses/deaths, and no sign of an outbreak. Strangely, a few weeks ago, it appeared that 1 of my CL's had ich, but this time, I left the tank alone, except for my usual feedings and tank/equipment maintenance. It was cured after a few days and it never spread. No fish deaths as well.
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