Lets talk Water Changes... - The Planted Tank Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 08:15 PM Thread Starter
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
DefStatic's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Maine
Posts: 588
Lets talk Water Changes...

So I am trying to be more, for lack of better term, professional about my aquariums.

I have the tanks listed in my sig. Have started EI dosing my 30 gal and will my 10 as well, but not the nanos.

When I first started, I would do my water changes by simply removing the water, an then taking a 1 gallon jug and filling it with tap water, putting in some conditioner, and then dumping it in, repeat. Except for my betta tanks, I would keep a 1 gallon container of premade tap water that had sat for a week.

So I have been reading more and more throughout the year, and it semed like the way I was treating my 30 gallon was way off. That and my method was just painstakingly, well, painful.

When I moved, I had purchased two 5 gallon buckets to move the fish in. All went well. Long story short I had an algae outbreak so I was changing the water every other day, 10% at a time.

So I thought to myself, why don't I use those 5 gallon buckets and keep prepped water in it?

Is there any reason not to do it this way? I would at least have 10 gallons ready for water changes. I am just not sure if there are any downsides, and curious how others prepare their water for larger tanks.

Thanks!


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Evolve-lution Member:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
DefStatic is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
greaser84's Avatar
 
PTrader: (11/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: NC
Posts: 1,425
I use a 32 gallon brute trash can for my RO system. I fill it up and put a power head and a heater in the trash can. I recommend using a heater so when you do a water change your not adding cold water to the tank. Or at least run a heater a few hours before to get the temperature right.

Last edited by greaser84; 05-09-2014 at 08:56 PM. Reason: forgot something
greaser84 is offline  
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 09:01 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
discuspaul's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 3,402
There is really no benefit to 'prepping', or ageing, your wc water, unless of course there is a fairly wide variance between the pH of the water straight out of your tap, and the pH of water which has been in your tank for a while - and you see evidence that ageing your water brings the pH closer to that in your tank.
If for example, the difference between the tap water pH, and the tank water pH, is say less than .5, you have really nothing to concern yourself about, and you have no need to age water.
The fact is that conditioning the bucket water that you're prepping, in advance, has no real benefit, since adding the conditioner to the tap water you use for wc's immediately after it's drawn (or adding it to the tank before or as you're replenishing the water you've removed when doing the wc) has the same effect of neutralizing the chlorine, as you get if it has sat in a bucket overnite or longer.
Are you following me on this ?

Having said that, by all means use your 5 gallon buckets for your wc's. You'll do larger percentage wc's that way, which is better all around for the fish, and the maintenance of cleanliness conditions of your tank(s), and likely for your plants as well - rather than doing just small 10% wc's.
Hope this helps.
discuspaul is offline  
 
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 09:04 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
lksdrinker's Avatar
 
PTrader: (8/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: NY; LETS GO METS
Posts: 1,893
I'm not sure what exactly you are preparing? de-chlorinated water? Having water ready to go is an essential for saltwater tanks but not usually for freshwater tanks. Although I guess there is nothing "wrong" with having your 10 gallons ready to go (other than the likely temperature difference of the 10 gallons in buckets compared to the temp in your tank)

I personally use a python (or knockoff version which is a water bed filler) and have a hose that goes right from the sink to the tank. When I do water changes in my 72 gallon, I re-fill with water that I make sure is the same temp and I add de-chlorinator right to the tank. I think this is a pretty common way to handle it. Prior to that I would do my water changes via a bucket brigade system. I would empty 5 gallons at a time and re-fill 5 gallons at a time with tap water that was the same temp as my tank and I would add the de-chlor right to the bucket. Again, I think this is pretty common.
lksdrinker is offline  
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 09:08 PM
Algae Grower
 
barbarpapa's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: new england
Posts: 5
On this topic, I started keeping water in a 15 gal glass aquarium after about a week it starts to smell fishy, so i treated it with bleach, rinsed it filled it, all was well, after about 4 weeks of water changes the smell is back, any ideas on what gives? only thing I can come up with is the little sun light the tank gets is causing something to grow, even though i keep it covered with a sheet. I should add the tank is kept circulating with an air line. I do this for perfect temp. and to minimize ph fluctuation.
barbarpapa is offline  
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 09:10 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
discuspaul's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 3,402
DefStatic:
I hope you will note that iksdrinker's advice is basically a confirmation of what I've said in my post just before his.
discuspaul is offline  
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 10:03 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: las vegas
Posts: 1,195
My water is straight from RO and tap the same day I do water change, which is twice a week. I match the temp, put prime and straight into the tank. Shouldn't be any more difficult than that.
HUNTER is offline  
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 10:08 PM Thread Starter
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
DefStatic's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Maine
Posts: 588
So really, there is no major benefits, but it doesn't hurt either, right?

The other reason for doing it this way I was told was to get the temp to at least room temp. When I prep this way, I use straight cold water, as I was told and read some places that using anything that requires warm water, the water from water heaters (especially in apartments) can contain things you do not want in your aquarium.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Evolve-lution Member:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
DefStatic is offline  
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 10:13 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
discuspaul's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 3,402
Quote:
Originally Posted by DefStatic View Post
So really, there is no major benefits, but it doesn't hurt either, right?

The other reason for doing it this way I was told was to get the temp to at least room temp. When I prep this way, I use straight cold water, as I was told and read some places that using anything that requires warm water, the water from water heaters (especially in apartments) can contain things you do not want in your aquarium.
Don't believe everything you're told. LOL
You can mix hot & cold water from the tap to approximate your tank water temp without any adverse effects - tens of thousands of hobbyists do that.
And no, it doesn't hurt to do what you're doing, it's just an extra step that's simply not necessary.
discuspaul is offline  
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 10:21 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
AGUILAR3's Avatar
 
PTrader: (4/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Los Angeles 626
Posts: 1,138
2 reasons why I age my water a few days.

1, room temperature betta tanks and room temperature aged water go hand in hand.
2, I get zero bubbles when using aged water and millions of micro bubbles when using fresh tap water.
AGUILAR3 is offline  
post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 10:26 PM
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
brandon429's Avatar
 
PTrader: (3/100%)
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Playas, NM
Posts: 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by barbarpapa View Post
On this topic, I started keeping water in a 15 gal glass aquarium after about a week it starts to smell fishy, so i treated it with bleach, rinsed it filled it, all was well, after about 4 weeks of water changes the smell is back, any ideas on what gives? only thing I can come up with is the little sun light the tank gets is causing something to grow, even though i keep it covered with a sheet. I should add the tank is kept circulating with an air line. I do this for perfect temp. and to minimize ph fluctuation.

You wouldnt normally think your question has broader implications on tank cycling but it does, what you have posted is in line with why we keep change water open capped vs capped, for both fresh and marine use.

There is a thread in the fertilizer forum about whether or not people take cycling too seriously. of course we do

but your post factors in to my diatribe listed on the last 2 pages of that thread. The reason your tank smells is the reason you can slowly cycle any tank fresh or marine without adding bottle bac, OR human-added ammonia of any kind.

ok back to topic I realize most prefer to jack ammonia and speed things up.

Short answer to your post. thats organisms dying even in water we thought would be free of them, thats only one way nitrifying bacteria get ammonia when we think they cannot, or that natural means for it do not exist unless we as humans permit it, and add it lol.


Water we think is free of ammonia isn't, as you can smell barbar

small old reef tank:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


still running in 2018

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
brandon429 is offline  
post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 10:30 PM Thread Starter
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
DefStatic's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Maine
Posts: 588
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandon429 View Post
You wouldnt normally think your question has broader implications on tank cycling but it does, what you have posted is in line with why we keep change water open capped vs capped, for both fresh and marine use.
Wait, so one should cap or not?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Evolve-lution Member:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
DefStatic is offline  
post #13 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 11:03 PM
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
brandon429's Avatar
 
PTrader: (3/100%)
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Playas, NM
Posts: 581
uncap!

the rationale is, water at the local grocery store that is capped was prepared aseptically.

we dont, so if we cap we risk causing anoxic conditions any ole time. I once dumped a whole vat of that rot into my delicate pico reef before being pressed to discover why it almost killed my tank to do a water change, when normally thats the cpr for delicate pico reefs.

"but Ive been capping my water for x months with no rot"

lucky them... lol I wont be doing it again. Perhaps their sourcewater is cleaner, their buckets have less scum stuck to the bottom which upon rehydration grows colonies even quicker due to organic presence, I dunno but if you want to be safe uncap any storage water kept in unsterile buckets and keep it in a clean place.


The person who smelled a mix of hydrogen sulfide and ammonia in their clear change water is smelling the fact that bacteria do not need much to gain a footing in any wet environment. ppm's of the rotting fuels way less than what we can smell will still cycle a tank.

Cycling begins when you get something wet, not when you add dr tims or cleaning ammonia. Ill be linking this thread to future cycling arguments lol and maybe that exact thread.

small old reef tank:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


still running in 2018

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
brandon429 is offline  
post #14 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 11:15 PM
Algae Grower
 
barbarpapa's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: new england
Posts: 5
love the info. everyone is willing to share. so if i cant age my water, how do i deal with the fact that ph out of the tap is over 8 but after 36 hour with aeration ph drops to ~6.9
barbarpapa is offline  
post #15 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2014, 11:16 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
PlantedRich's Avatar
 
PTrader: (2/100%)
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: United States
Posts: 11,907
The reason for smell from stored water is pretty simple, whether it is tap water or older bottled water. Both are not totally free of bacteria. Bottled water does stay fresh for longer than tap water as the level of bacteria is lower but not totally removed. Remember the old public shelters from the cold war? The water supplies had to be rotated to keep them safe to drink. That is a point lots of preppers are missing. If they ever get around to drinking the water they have stored for years it will likely kill them! For tap water the same is true. Not all the bacteria can be killed by chlorine treatment. That level of treatment would kill the bacteria that makes your digestion work. There is a very fine line drawn between the level which keeps most bacteria from growing in water supplies and what will harm us. Just because water has been treated with chlorine does not mean it is free of all bacteria. Once the chlorine gasses off, the remaining bacteria begin to multiply.
PlantedRich is offline  
Reply

Tags
None

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome