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Mr Man at the shop told me that it would be a good idea to have some fish for a while before firing plants in there..

I do want to have both plants and fish but i would have thought it was a good idea to have your plants established before putting fish in with them but then again i reckon he knows what he's talking about more than i do seeing as i have never kept an aquarium of any sort before....

do you agree with him? or disagree?
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Depends on how involved you are going to get with your plants I would say. Ideally for me, I would set it up first with plants and fertilizers. Give them time to root down, more time depending on what type of fish. Like digging type fish you will need more time. A new tank needs time to set up beneficial bacteria. If you dont plan to fertilize, I would set up and feed an empty tank for a few weeks to get the bacteria established again and also to get some nutrients in the water. Then a few weeks with just plants. And finally add some fish to your nicely established tank.

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The fish store guy probably was inferring that you were just leaving the plants in the pots that they come in, not that you actually let them root into the substrate.

Which in that case, the plants should be planted first and allowed ample time to root.
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plants first... but maybe the store guy was thinking of cycling your tank first or whatever.. i was just thinking maybe..
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The guy at the store is misinformed... surprise, surprise!

Go back and tell him that you asked the question on a planted tank forum and you got a resounding plants.

Maybe he'll learn something.

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I always try to go with plants first because it is easier for me to plant them without freaking the fish (and me!) out during the planting. Plus, as the others have mentioned, this gives them a little headstart on taking root, which is always helpful.

I am still relatively new to this, though, so take that for what it is worth. Good luck!

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haha thanks for that everybody

i went back to the store today for my lights and everyone in there (the guy i spoke to last time wasn't in today) said plants first so that's decent
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Adding plants first does two things. It helps to absorb excess amonia and it helps to establish the bilogical filter.

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I agree adding plant first help absorbing excess amonia.

But why it also help establishing the biological filter? If plant take up all amonia available, nitrifying bacteria would not have enough amonia to do metabolize, therefore, they would develop slowly than normal.

Plant act as a great biofiler as well. In som case, people dont have to invest extra money some fancfory biological filter. IMO, sponge is enoug


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The plants are part of the biological filter, and therefore don't in any way "compete" with n-bacteria. Plants are typically colonized with N-bacteria, themselves, so adding them to the tank will only speed up colonization, not hinder it.





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Having the ammonia spike from Aquasoil when you first fill the tank wouldn't have any negatives towards the plants?
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Having the ammonia spike from Aquasoil when you first fill the tank wouldn't have any negatives towards the plants?
It shouldnt. The plants will use it up quickly because it is the easiest form of nitrogen to consume. This also helps so algae does not become a problem.


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