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Final Sump layout

What do you guys think of final sump layout? Anything I should change or should I give the builder the OK to start? The first baffle area that 7.625, is going to also have a drip tray. Also the entire sump will have a Lid.
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I still don't see how a drip tray is going to work as a drip tray (unless I'm missing something), but it looks good other than that.
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Don't you want your last baffle to flow over the top into the pump chamber to control sump water height?


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Don't you want your last baffle to flow over the top into the pump chamber to control sump water height?
Whoops, I missed that part. I had originally made that suggestion in the OPs original thread. My reasoning was that you would only need to worry about water loss in the return section rather than the return and bio section (and the bio media drying out).
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And its generally not a good idea to have a baffle go all the way to the top of the sump. It will help reduce the chance of an overflow.


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I still don't see how a drip tray is going to work as a drip tray (unless I'm missing something), but it looks good other than that.
They are supposed to update the image for me next week to show how this will work, along with a few other changes. I will post when they send it.

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OK, let me know what you guys think now. Also I had them add lids to help with loss of CO2, I assume I need them. I still worry about the size of the return area. Open to suggestions as this thing costing me a ton, and I want to get it right.

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What is the height of the final baffle? Also, what return pump do you plan on using?

From the picture, I can't tell where the last two baffles are (the two that make up the 7.250" section). If they are both touching the bottom, then that is just wasted space IMO.


As far as the drip tray section goes, the section will be under water (most likely) up to the height of the 2nd to last baffle (the one that says "we may need to add holes", although it may actually be the last baffle depending on heights). If that is the same height as the top of the grating for the drip tray lid, then the bio bale will be completely underwater. If there is a difference in height, then that difference will give you some media out of the water, giving you a better "drip" action.


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What is the height of the final baffle? Also, what return pump do you plan on using?

From the picture, I can't tell where the last two baffles are (the two that make up the 7.250" section). If they are both touching the bottom, then that is just wasted space IMO.


As far as the drip tray section goes, the section will be under water (most likely) up to the height of the 2nd to last baffle (the one that says "we may need to add holes", although it may actually be the last baffle depending on heights). If that is the same height as the top of the grating for the drip tray lid, then the bio bale will be completely underwater. If there is a difference in height, then that difference will give you some media out of the water, giving you a better "drip" action.


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Forgot pump info

Waveline DC12000 pump with Controller
Model: DC-12000
Input: DC24V 7A
(Converted by AC100-240V 50/60Hz
Wattage: 170W at full speed
(Measured After Adaptor)
Flow rate: Max. 3170GPH / 12000LPH
Flow Height: Max. 6 meters / 19.9 feet
Dimension: 7.1" x 4.2" x 5.8"
Water inlet: External D: 50mm, Internal D: 1.5"
NPT
Water outlet: External D: 40mm, Internal D: 1.25"
NPT
6 speeds controllers included

Will also have 2 other small pumps in that section, one for my CO2 reactor, and one for my UV. Both will just dump right back into that area. That why 2 holes in the front and back. Waveline will be in the center.
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What is the height of the final baffle? Also, what return pump do you plan on using?

From the picture, I can't tell where the last two baffles are (the two that make up the 7.250" section). If they are both touching the bottom, then that is just wasted space IMO.


As far as the drip tray section goes, the section will be under water (most likely) up to the height of the 2nd to last baffle (the one that says "we may need to add holes", although it may actually be the last baffle depending on heights). If that is the same height as the top of the grating for the drip tray lid, then the bio bale will be completely underwater. If there is a difference in height, then that difference will give you some media out of the water, giving you a better "drip" action.


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What is the height of the final baffle...Not sure sent them email to find out

From the picture, I can't tell where the last two baffles are (the two that make up the 7.250" section). If they are both touching the bottom, then that is just wasted space IMO. Both are on the bottom, what do you suggest would work better?


As far as the drip tray section goes, the section will be under water (most likely) up to the height of the 2nd to last baffle (the one that says "we may need to add holes", although it may actually be the last baffle depending on heights). If that is the same height as the top of the grating for the drip tray lid, then the bio bale will be completely underwater. If there is a difference in height, then that difference will give you some media out of the water, giving you a better "drip" action. Yep on bottom, what do you suggest I have them change?

Thank you for your help, it just annoying the guy coming up with how to built it would take it into account as well, since they do this every day for a living.


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Forgot pump info

Waveline DC12000 pump with Controller

Dimension: 7.1" x 4.2" x 5.8"

Make sure that last baffle is higher than the height of the pump. I would assume it is since it is a 75g sump (?), but now is the time to make sure.

If you have a decent height difference from the baffle to the top of the drip tray, you can keep it if you want. Just double check that you will be getting some sort of drip, or else you're just going to be paying for extra material.

Any info on that second-to-last section?
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From the picture, I can't tell where the last two baffles are (the two that make up the 7.250" section). If they are both touching the bottom, then that is just wasted space IMO. Both are on the bottom, what do you suggest would work better?

** You want an over - under flow of water. The way it is set up now water is just going to be going over and over, meaning that there will be all that undisturbed water that isn't on the surface of that section. Granted there will be SOME water movement, but the large majority of that area will be nearly-stagnant. To correct this, have them put in a suspended baffle (just like the left vertical piece of the drip tray) to the right of that last baffle. That way water will have to go under that suspended baffle before going over the final one, giving you some better water movement in that second-to-last section.



As far as the drip tray section goes, the section will be under water (most likely) up to the height of the 2nd to last baffle (the one that says "we may need to add holes", although it may actually be the last baffle depending on heights). If that is the same height as the top of the grating for the drip tray lid, then the bio bale will be completely underwater. If there is a difference in height, then that difference will give you some media out of the water, giving you a better "drip" action. Yep on bottom, what do you suggest I have them change?

** If you want to keep that drip tray, just make sure that there will be a height difference to allow for the drip to work properly.

Thank you for your help, it just annoying all these things you point I out which is great, I would thing the guy coming up with how to built it would take it into account as well, since they do this every day for a living.

** Any time. If I'm missing something, hopefully someone will jump in as well. You have to remember that these guys usually do SW setups, which require some different designing.



EDIT: Now that I think about it, you might be able to go without that second-to-last section (7.250"). What were you planning on putting in it?

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From the picture, I can't tell where the last two baffles are (the two that make up the 7.250" section). If they are both touching the bottom, then that is just wasted space IMO. Both are on the bottom, what do you suggest would work better?

** You want an over - under flow of water. The way it is set up now water is just going to be going over and over, meaning that there will be all that undisturbed water that isn't on the surface of that section. Granted there will be SOME water movement, but the large majority of that area will be nearly-stagnant. To correct this, have them put in a suspended baffle (just like the left vertical piece of the drip tray) to the right of that last baffle. That way water will have to go under that suspended baffle before going over the final one, giving you some better water movement in that second-to-last section.



As far as the drip tray section goes, the section will be under water (most likely) up to the height of the 2nd to last baffle (the one that says "we may need to add holes", although it may actually be the last baffle depending on heights). If that is the same height as the top of the grating for the drip tray lid, then the bio bale will be completely underwater. If there is a difference in height, then that difference will give you some media out of the water, giving you a better "drip" action. Yep on bottom, what do you suggest I have them change?

** If you want to keep that drip tray, just make sure that there will be a height difference to allow for the drip to work properly.

Thank you for your help, it just annoying all these things you point I out which is great, I would thing the guy coming up with how to built it would take it into account as well, since they do this every day for a living.

** Any time. If I'm missing something, hopefully someone will jump in as well. You have to remember that these guys usually do SW setups, which require some different designing.



EDIT: Now that I think about it, you might be able to go without that second-to-last section (7.250"). What were you planning on putting in it?
Thanks for the info. Not sure what I was going to put in that area, not really set in stone, I had the extra room so I had them make that area, do you think it would be better off to do away with it?
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