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Someone gave me a bunch of tiny java fern plants. I can't seem to get them to stay in the substrate and they keep floating around the tank and some are getting stuck in the filter intake.

If I keep them free floating will they be fine as they don't get stuck on the filter? Any suggestions on how to keep these tiny plants down? I would guess their roots are about 1" long.
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Capt. Don't put them in the substrate. Tie them to some wood or a rock with cotton thread (preferably black). I think you may damage the rhizome if you put them in the substrate.
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I know this might go agains conventional wisdom, but just like my anubias I do plant java fern into my substrate on a regular basis. Make sure only the roots are buried (brown) but not the rhizome were the leaves sprout (green). In my tank my Ferns rooted in the substrate seem to outgrow my ferns on my driftwood.

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i have heard that as well.
i have stuffed some of mine into empty sea shells and others are rubber banded onto a log. when they get heavy enough, they rest on top of the substrate on thier own.
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My anubias is doing fine buried in the substrate so I think the javas will be ok. The problem is they won't stay buried! The roots aren't long enough yet I guess and it's annoying replanting them all the time.

Think they will be fine moving freely around the tank or is this a bad idea?
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Tying them is still the best. Thats why i hate them...float and float like a coconut...bored
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Capt, they don't stay buried because during the day, they produce quite a lot of O2/pearl on their leaves and tend to float them. I had the same problem. I tied some of them to either rocks or driftwood. Some, I buried the roots only in the substrate but put a couple of rocks or woods next to it or around it. They actually attach themselves to those rocks or woods eventually without tying them.
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I've picked up some small flat rocks. Maybe about 1 inch in size. Flat ones. Tied the java to that since I didn't want to remove the wood in my tank to tie them down and the wood was to hard to use staples. I have used staples on softer wood and that worked. The staple eventually rusted out and didn't see any problems with that in the water.
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I've picked up some small flat rocks. Maybe about 1 inch in size. Flat ones. Tied the java to that since I didn't want to remove the wood in my tank to tie them down and the wood was to hard to use staples. I have used staples on softer wood and that worked. The staple eventually rusted out and didn't see any problems with that in the water.
I've seen some people do it with plastic zip ties. Then once the roots have been established to the wood you can just snip the zipties and not damage your wood with staples and have to worr about rusting.

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maybe the rusting will increase Iron. :mrgreen:
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maybe the rusting will increase Iron. :mrgreen:
That could quite well be a good possibility, hehe. I always wonder what else it might increase..

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Thanks for all the input so far. In my other tank I am using a rubber elastic band to hold the java fern and java moss to the wood.

The problem is I don't have any wood in this tank so maybe I will try attaching them to some rocks.
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I am new to planted aquariums. Here is my setup:

20G
175 Penguin Filter
Flourite substrate
PC Lighting, 55W w/ GE 9350 bulb

anyway.....

I bought a clump of Java ferns that were 6 separate stems with no roots, there is nothing to really tie so I just stuck them in the substrate, they seem to be holding fine, but will they ever develop roots or should I try a different strategy.

Sorry to Hi Jack your thread, I saw the title and jumped in!!
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Doesn't sound like you have java ferns. Java ferns don't come with just a stem. Those are called stem plants.

Java ferns have something called a rhizome, a thick piece where the roots attach from the bottom and leaves from the top.
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How do you care for dark green, single leaf stem plants?
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