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Hi everyone! Newbie here has a question :p

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I am starting a 300L community tank with angels and boesemans atm.

I want to have a reasonable number of plants. Some amazon swords, some straight valiserri, java fern, some java moss. And maybe some other plants.

I am using a brand new juwel rio 300 with t5 lighting.

My question is, I want to have a sand substrate and also want to have plants. I have heard about using a soil substrate below the sand for plant roots. I have been searching high and low for aquatic soil and cant find anything anywhere (I am in scotland). I was wondering if it would be ok to sprinkle some normal garden soil bought at a garden centre under the sand for the roots?

I will also b using fert tabs in the sand in addition to the soil.
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Well, as fas as addivitves under the sand, it really depends on what you are intending to grow. I have grown many different species of plants in just plain old inert sand and gravel. realistically, a seeded substrate (if its not new) and fert tabs can go a long way.


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has anyone else got any advice as to whether normal soil is allright in the aquarium?
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I don't have advice on the soil but on the sand, I wouldn't use it. I tried it when I first set up a planted tank and for me it wasn't good. The fish waste stuck out like a sore thumb and algae was growing in it. Yes it looked good at first but after a couple of weeks, yuck. Sand also compacts allot witch isn't the best thing for plant roots. I switched over to plain gravel then eco complete and have been happy since then. That's my 2c.
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This is the best I can do for you. I have seen people using peat moss for a while for high demand rooted plants. The only time I have heard of people using garden soil is for emersed setups.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ge...peat-moss.html

By the look of the plants you have listed (the only rooted plants really being the swords and vals), you would seem to be ok with just root tabs, but I guess this still doesn't answer your question.

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I don't have advice on the soil but on the sand, I wouldn't use it. I tried it when I first set up a planted tank and for me it wasn't good. The fish waste stuck out like a sore thumb and algae was growing in it. Yes it looked good at first but after a couple of weeks, yuck. Sand also compacts allot witch isn't the best thing for plant roots. I switched over to plain gravel then eco complete and have been happy since then. That's my 2c.
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thanks for the advice. I currently have a 150L tank with fine pea gravel and I hate it, I think it looks soo bad and plain. Iv been pretty hellbent on getting sand since I started planning my new tank, so I doubt I will change my mind.

Ill just wait until someone can advise me on the garden soil thing
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This is the best I can do for you. I have seen people using peat moss for a while for high demand rooted plants. The only time I have heard of people using garden soil is for emersed setups.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ge...peat-moss.html

By the look of the plants you have listed (the only rooted plants really being the swords and vals), you would seem to be ok with just root tabs, but I guess this still doesn't answer your question.

Good luck.

the garden centre sells peat in bags, would this b better?
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I can't say its better since I don't know the advantages of plain garden soil, but I can say that there are numerous success stories with peat and its usually advised to use with inert substrates.

Sand can be tricky as Vonzor pointed out. My biggest concern is the potential for noxious gas pockets that can build up under the surface. You need to be diligent about maintenance IMO.


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doesn't ecocomplete look like sand? i can't say about the ecocomplete for plants as i can't get it in hawaii. but the ecocomplete for cichlids looked like black sand...I had a salt water tank with white sand and algae always grow on it and it stood out...the black i think may be a better choice...*shrug* Good luck
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there's a current discussion about peat moss going on right now...
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ge...peat-moss.html
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No you don't want to replace your entire substrate with peat, it will send your pH through the floor. A very little is ok, but will still affect your pH. Friend of mine uses that much peat only to breed species of fish who like a pH of like 4.0.

You need to be careful with garden soil because it often has additives that do not do well in an aquarium situation and would pollute the tank. Schultz Aquatic Soil would be a good way to go if you like soil- pretty common at Home Depot and other places that sell pond products.

EcoComplete is pretty variable in texture- mix of sizes from the size of gravel to sand.



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