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"Flourish Trace" liquid - waste of my money?

I am using dry ferts for macros. I am using Flourish Comprehensive, Flourish Iron and Flourish Trace for micros. I also use Flourish tabs. Is the Flourish Trace liquid a waste of my money? I've heard people say it's like water, but I wondered if it has something in it that the Comprehensive doesn't have.
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The two can be compared easily enough at Seachem's site:

http://seachem.com/products/product_...rishTrace.html

http://seachem.com/products/product_pages/Flourish.html

I would never buy Flourish Trace.
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Folks have said you get the same effect from doing water changes, its not needed


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The Nickel in F. Trace is the only micronutrient that's not included in Flourish, but it's only 0.000003%. Nickel may be in your tap water and you're adding it back with weekly water changes.

Many people believe that F.Trace isn't needed.

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Thanks. This kind of thing bugs me. I think Seachem makes some great products, and I have no reason to think they do not run their business honestly. However, I can't help but feel ripped off if they know that the Trace is so similar to the Comprehensive - except less of everything and the addition of nickel! The Comprehensive label is also confusing. As as a noob, I thought Comprehensive sounded like it would contain all the macros I would need. I had no idea I would need additional nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. I will say that their website does a good job of listing the products and providing charts about when to use what.
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I looked at their site. It seems the zinc is much higher in the "Trace". It also has a few other things added (Nickel, Rubidium and Vanadium), but in very very small amounts. Don't think I'll buy it again.
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There's really a big difference between Flourish and F. Trace. Flourish contains more nutrients that plants need than F. Trace.

Flourish has some NPK, Ca, Mg. Fe and others that aren't in F. Trace.

Here's the ingredients of each:

Flourish http://www.seachem.com/products/prod.../Flourish.html
Guaranteed Analysis
Total Nitrogen 0.07%
Available Phosphate ( P2O5) 0.01%
Soluble Potash 0.37%
Calcium (Ca) 0.14%
Magnesium (Mg) 0.11%
Sulfur (S) 0.2773%
Boron (B) 0.009%
Chlorine (Cl) 1.15%
Cobalt (Co) 0.0004%
Copper (Cu) 0.0001%
Iron (Fe) 0.32%
Manganese (Mn) 0.0118%
Molybdenum (Mo) 0.0009%
Sodium (Na) 0.13%
Zinc (Zn) 0.0007%

Derived from: Potassium Chloride, Calcium Chloride, Copper Sulfate, Magnesium Chloride, Ferrous Gluconate, Cobalt Sulfate, Magnesium Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Boric Acid, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate, Protein Hydrolysates.

Some components are no longer listed in the Guaranteed Analysis due to state regulations. The formulation of this product has not be altered.

F. Trace http://www.seachem.com/products/prod...rishTrace.html
Guaranteed Analysis
Boron (B) 0.0028%
Cobalt (Co) 0.00003%
Copper Cu) 0.0032%
0.0032% Water Soluble Copper (Cu)
Manganese (Mn) 0.0085%
0.0085% Water Soluble Manganese(Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo) 0.0003%
Zinc (Zn) 0.0169%
0.0169% Water Soluble Zinc (Zn)
Rubidium (Rh) 0.000008%
Nickel (Ni) 0.000003%
Vanadium (V) 0.000002%

Derived from: copper sulfate, cobalt sulfate, manganese sulfate, boric acid, sodium molybdate, zinc sulfate, rubidium chloride, nickel chloride, vanadium sulfate



I wouldn't buy anymore F. Trace.

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From experience

I have actually used the product and run the same tanks with and without the product. Both high tech and low tech (excel) tanks.

In my experience the product does make a diffference. You get better coloration, denser more compact growth, and fuller new growth from plants that show small growth or stunt in higher lights.

If you look at the analysis, you will see that there are higher concentrations of certain elements in Flourish Trace.

The biggest differences are in the levels zinc and manganese.

If you search around you will see a thread where Wet is suggesting you can make your own DIY Tropica Plant Nutrition (very desirable but expensive Trace element fertilizer from a famous European aquatic plant nursery) by taking CSM+B and adding manganese sulfate.

Seems like Seachem Flourish plus Flourish Trace may be able to deliver the same benefit for people who are less likely to buy powders online. Haven't tried the two side by side, but I'm planning on it.

The product is frustrating because it is very diluted. I believe this is a manufacturing issue related to providing consistent batch concentration for things used in such small amounts. Also perhaps they have to engineer products for a world where not everyone does 50% weekly water changes and overdosing is an issue.

My 2 cents, but it is from experience actually using the product.
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