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Rams and Angels

Would a (or a pair of) Blue(s)/Bolivian(s) ram(s) be ok in a 30 gallon tank with an angel and a bunch of tetras? Or would there be too much agression there?Is it better to keep angels in pairs?

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in a 30g, 1 angel is the safest.

Rams are classic tankmates for angels, and type. I would get only 2 for a 30 gallon and it will be great!
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no there wouldnt be much aggresion going on, and anyway, they are all Amazonian fish, Also, Angels can be solitary, most people choose to keep 2 or more though in your tank I wouldn't rcommend more angels.
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I have three angels, three golden rams and three bolivian rams and a bunch of neon and diamond tetras all sharing a tank.

The only issue I have is that the rams sometimes harrass the tetras if they encroach on their space.

With my rams, i found the best way to get good colour and behaviour out o fthem was to keep them 1 male to two females, and to make sure theres enough space for the females to claim territory.

If they cant make a space their own they get stressed and become pale.

I lost a couple of golden rams that way. Im pretty sure it was stress as tank parameters were perfect and no signs of illness. this time round ive given them lots of ground cover, deep carpeting and a few artificial caves which my clown loaches thanked me for too.

that being said i wish my plecs would stop having sex in them. im about drowning in baby fish at the moment....

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How much waste would a typical angel make? Fed on a variety of flake, forzen and freeze-dried foods. Sorta in comparison I guess, like would one angel make the same waste as 10 neons? More less?
I hope you understand what I'm asking lol, how much waste would the angels make in comparison to a smaller tetra like a neon.
Sorry, weird question I know.
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What filter do you have running on the tank? Is the tank planted? Waste is relative to how much you feed.

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I would be feeding twice a day, what the fish can consume in 1-2 minutes, aquaclear 70, 25% water changes twice a week using a gravel vac. The tank would have 5-6 live plants in it.
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I just wanted to give a little caution about "pairs" of angelfish, if you happen to have two males or two females (my case) they may very well beat up on each other. The alpha-female angel pretty regularly nips at the subordinate angel.

When they were small I tried to find a third, to help spread the aggression, but in my area there has been this drought of angels for such a long time, in any case now they're rather large and introducing a small one would be almost certain death for it.

With that as my experience I would say 1 or 3, and in a 30 gallon I think 3 is pushing it as a long term tank.

On the brighter side, my rams and angels never bother each other, nor do they bother the tetras. As was mentioned earlier, my rams would chase away the tetras on occasion, but I have never observed any actual violence.
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To be honest i havent notice my Angels make that much mess.

I have a few mollys and they leave trails of poo everywhere so its hard to notice anything else.

In terms of eating though the Angels are second only to the Mollys. I would say my angels probably consume each as much as 3 or 4 neons and would happily eat more if it was available. The volume seems comparable to the size difference.

I think its more about swimming and hanging out space in the tank (as long as you arent overstocked).

I have mine in a 180L (47.5G) tank and no major issues with nitrates etc.
.....although i probably am "pushing it" in terms of how many fish I have while I wait for my new 360L (100G) to be ready enough to take them all.

I agree with the odd number recomendation. I started with 4 and there were daily battles for dominance. Eventually one died (i suspect from stress) and a status quo was reached. There havent been any fites of note since, although the alpha-angel does tend to run off the omega-angel from time to time.

Seems fairly standard pack dynamics though.

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Ok thanks!
I think I'll get an angel in there then, but I'll get it small so it doesn't bother the tetras until they grow a little bigger.

Are there any species of angels I should stay away from?
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There are only 3 species of angelfish, and you won't find 2 of them without paying a ton and really looking for them. All the angelfish you see in stores are scalare. The different markings are just color variations.

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