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Need some pics of....

The Mekong River so I can start scaping out a tank that is as close naturally to the real thing then just whatever I want to imagine. I tried doing a search on google and found nothing except for maps and above the river.


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what fish or plants are you using?
the mekong is a massive river... You might want to look at streams.

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Fauna:
Siamese Fighting Fish(Betta splendens)
Siamese Algae Eater(Crossocheilus siamensis)
False Harlequin Rasbora(Rasbora espei)


Flora:
Ceratopteris thalictroides
Crinum thiainum
Cryptocoryne crispulata
Cryptocoryne affinis
Hygrophila polysperma
Hygrophila stricta
Nymphaea lotus


Thanks for the link. I already got the list of fauna and flora(as you can see) but to really get it to look like it would be part of that ecosystem would be challenging without some pics. That link should help a little with how they have their tanks.

Those who cant read that I took the time to translate it. I wanted to know what it said as well lol.

"My ferry tendency Asian, about 120 liters.

A ferry of 120L planted of foams Java, Cryptocorynes, Riccia, Microsorum on a root of peat bog and a big foot of Hygrophila and populated Rasbora, 10
Kuhli and of a couple of Colisa

Ferry biotope Aquariums of Asia of the Southeast

The idea is to approach the reproduction of a biotope, c’est-à-dire to attempt to associate plants and fish of the same origin and having the same requirements. It is not evidently possible to recreate in an aquarium the conditions that exist in a river or a stream but to attempt itself in to approach while choosing carefully the elements of the setting and the population.

An important number of our fish of aquarium are native Asia of the southeast. The region of Singapore is a farm-raised important center and of exportation of plants and of fish. In countries such as Malaysia, the Indonesia and the viet-nam, undergo important precipitations, divided up on a big party of the year, and enjoy an equatorial climate where the thermal variations are comparatively weak. The rivers do not drain themselves and a hydrologic very important network crossing the tropical forests. The water courses are generally not very deep, and their water is soft and lightly acid. These conditions allow the existence many types of fish and of plants of fresh water.

River water generally is very loaded with sediments, and of earth, she is brown and muddy; visibility is of some centimeters, one finds plants by place, very thick and dense, and vase on the bottom. It is not évidemement question of recrééer a ferry that represents such a biotope!

It does not suffice to associate native fish of the same country but it is necessary to take account of their origin environment: living fish in water calms and not very deep, in the ditches of the paddy fields as the Gourami are not at their comfort if one does them to cohabitate with native types of restless rivers as the Botia macracantha or the Danio rerio. Certain fish need quick and fresh water, Gastromyzon, Danio) of others are fish of pond or living in holes of hot stagnant waters and little oxygenated..

In courses of water not very deep and calm, one finds for example Betta, Gouramis, Colisa, certain Bearded and Puntius, as well as Rasbora and Kryptopterus for quote only the more known. The waters that flow in the tropical, dark forest, often acids, where one finds the Puntius, the Rasboras, various Betta, the Loches, the Gouramis, the fish cat, the shrimp.

In deeper rivers and wide screws of the Botia, Gyrinocheilus, Labeo, Epalzeo.

In the mountainous regions, where the streams have a quick current, the pH is close of 8 and water rather fresh and clear, one finds Tanichthys, Danio, Macropodus and Gastromyzon.

Among the plants that live in these waters one can talk about the various Cryptocorynes of the water brackens as the Ceratopteris, foams Java, the, Hygrophila, Vallisneria, Limnophila, Rotala, Crinum thaianum, Cyperus helferi, and Hygroryza aristata in plant floating.

In the regions of paddy fields, water is often almost stagnant, it is necessary to foresee a weak watercourse to attempt to reproduce such a biotope. Visibility does not surpass some tens of centimeters. The vegetable ones that itself there decompose load organic waters and give him a brown color appreciated by many fish. This water is muddy and very little oxygenated. His brown coloring very often is provoked by rocks ferrugineuses. The ground is loaded with debris, the sediments pile up for there is not current, among which these the fish easily nourish themselves of all a water wildlife. In this rich environment prospers a big quantity of vegetation.

In these waters calm and stagnant, the breathing by the gills does not suffice and several types have therefore developed what one names the labyrinth. This is an auxiliary organ of breathing, richly vascular that allows the Anabantoïdes to obtain atmospheric oxygen thanks to a complex system of sanguine vessels, and that is situated on the over head, behind close to the opercules. This function is particularly useful in a biotope where water presents a deficiency in oxygen. It is therefore important to leave a layer of air of some centimeters between the surface of water and the ferry lid to allow the fish to come to breathe. For several types, as the Colisa and Gourami, the fins pelviennes transformed themselves in long tactile filaments that allow for them to orient itself in a dark environment, to touch their environment and the assistance to find their food. These fins also are used to touch the female one before the big shots or when 2 fish meet.

To attempt to reproduce the monsoon effect, one can change a big quantity of colder water which provokes often the big shot of several types.

A ferry of 250 liters is an excellent volume that allows a lot of things. One there can introduce some big fish as Gourami, a coupple by ferry, several benches of smaller types that swim in the middle of the water Rasbora, various Bearded, and fish of ground as the Kuhli that live in group. An aquarium of about one hundred liters allows the installation of a couple or of a trio of Colisa and of an or two groups of small Puntius or of Rasbora.

Basic installation, valid for all the aquariums. The ferry must well be planted, but it is necessary to leave a space of free swimming of plants. One places the stems more high as the Vallisneries and Hygrophila, on the sides and in front of the bottom pane, the LOWER Cryptocorynes can create massive in the front of the aquarium and some feet of Microsorum can be set up on a stump. Foams it Java and the Riccia hang on also gladly on wood or against gnarled rocks. The scheme heating is concealed by the long stems as well as the taken one of water and the filter rejection. The plants floating, Hygroryza aristata or Salvinia allow shading certain zones of the ferry and can be limited in their development while being held by the sons nylons stretched to the water surface. A dense plant allows also to the shy fish to hide itself.

If one wants a well planted aquarium one must install tubes neons that furnish 1 Watt for 2 liters of water and foresee a daily length of lighting of 12 hours, without cut and regulated by a time-switch. A pump to air is useless for she shakes too water and the eddies hunt the necessary carbon dioxide to the optimum sprout of the plants. To favor the plant growth a fertilizer must be buried in the ground at the ferry installation. One chooses a sand that does not present any stop splitting if it is foreseen to install fish fouisseurs as Pangio kuhli or Botia. (therefore no quartzite cutting). For the setting, one can place rocks non-limestone and wood, roots and well cleaned stumps, that tend to acidify water. It is so possible to employ stems of bamboo. If the bamboo sections are rather big, certain fish love themselves there to hide and there nest gladly.

Shrimp Caridina japonica very well can be installed in the aquarium, to condition of not to introduce fish of the family of the Botia that would devour them quickly. The big Botia macracantha do not hesitate to eat them, as well as the snails of all sizes, but most of the other fish do not be interested in it. The shrimp Caridina and neo caridina are excellent cleaners, that nourish themselves seaweeds and of losses of non consummate foods by the fish and allow keeping clean the bottom of the ferry.

Practical examples.

For an aquarium of 60 liters, there exist the types of small size as the Rasbora maculata that are comfortable in a small volume and that one can do to cohabitate with 3 to 5 Botia sidthimunki and an only Fighter.

Population of an aquarium of 120 liters,

A ferry presenting a length of 80 to 100 cm generally suits while giving to the fish sufficiently of space to move itself. As it is a matter of active swimmers, it is necessary to privilege a free space of plants. One very well can orient the rejection of the filter so that it creates a watercourse in which the Rasbora and of small others active fish as the Bearded ones play gladly. It is necessary to cover the ferry, this are good jumpers and what a pity to rediscover its fish on the rug in front of the aquarium…. The pH must be close of neutrality. One foresees a scheme heating to have an understood temperature between 24 and-26 degrees and a filter that tosses about 300l/h. The high plants place themselves on the sides of the LOWER bac,les towards the before. One can choose various Cryptocorynes, C. becketii or C. wendtii, Eleocharis, Limnophila and Rotala macranda or rotondifolia if the light is rather strong.

One there can install: A couple or a trio, 2 female and a male, of Colisa lalia or Colisa chuna or a couple or trio of Fighters to choose among the Betta splendens or the B.imbellis for example. 5-7 Bearded cherries (B.titteya) or B. nigrofasciatus that live in the
middle of the water 5-7 Rasbora heteromorpha 3-5 Botia sidthimunki or B. striata that occupy the low party of the aquarium

For a ferry of 250 liters to 26 degrees A couple of appeared gourami (Trichogaster leeri) that are calmer and less aggressive than the blue or yellow gouramis (Trichogaster trichopterus) Bearded about ten to choose among the
Puntius pentazona, P. semifasciolatus, P.conchonius A group of Rasbora borapetensis or R. heteromorpha A trio of Crossocheilus siamensis 3-5 Botia lohachata

For a ferry of cold water between 20 and 24 degrees, the number of the fish is to determine according to the ferry size. One can plant Acorus gramineus, Aponogeton crispus, Cardamine lyrata, Ceratophyllum demersum and Egeria densa some feet of Crinum thaianum, most of the Cryptocorynes live well also in a water between 20° or 24°.

A bench of Tanichthys albonubes, A bench of Danio rerio, or Danio frankei A group of Bearded oligolepis 3-5 Gastromyzon myersi A couple or trio of Macropodus opercularis or
Macropodus occelatus that have a better character than the M.concolor.

An aquarium of 300 liters, populated calm fish.

It is good to foresee a filtration not very powerful, to limit the current and the eddies. To avoid that the Kuhli and the Kryptopterus are bothered by the light it is necessary to leave the stems and leaves of the highest plants to go to bed to the surface of water or install plants floating, Pistia, Hygroryza aristata, Salvinia or some free stems of Ceratophyllum that do the shadow. One also can choose to do a planted aquarium of types not very exacting, as, Microsorum, of Foams it Java, as well as of others plant that appreciate the shadow as the Cryptocorynes and to install that an or two fluorescent tubes to have an intensity of 1 Watt for 3 or 4 liters of water.

A trio of Gouramis embrasseurs (Helostoma temminckii) Or a small group of 4-6 Gourami (Trichogaster trichopterus) A group of 10 silures of
glass (Kryptopterus minor, formerly named Kryptopterus biccirhis) A group of Rasbora pauciperforata 12 to 15 Pangio kuhli.

An aquarium of 450 liters and more, populated lively and active fish.

For such a ferry reproducing a river one installs a ground of sprinkled sand of rocks, of roots and of stumps that obtain hiding places to the Botia, and one foresees a filter rather powerful to assure a good intermingling and current in the ferry. Water must well be oxygenated and clear. It is necessary to foresee a big space of swimming, lacking in plants, for good number of these fish are good swimmers that budge a lot and need place.. Attention to the Botia macracantha and to the Balantio that become very big.. and would not have vraiemtn e^rte installed in overall aquarium.

5-7 Botia macracantha or a small group of Balantiocheilus melanopterus a dozen Bearded of Sumatra (B. tetrazona) a group of
Puntius denisonii or a dozen Bearded nigrofasciatus (less aggressive) or Bearded conchonius 5-7 Crossocheilus siamensis a
Labeo bicolor or a Labeo frenatus

To go more far and attempt to reproduce a fish group such as one can to find some to the wild state, here some suggestions of geographic ferries.

In a ferry of 120 liters, one can attempt to reproduce a course of water of the region of sri-lanka in water acid, close pH of 6.5, hardness between 2 and 10 dGH, temperature to 26 degrees, while selecting various Cryptocorynes, and while installing Colisa lalia or Colisa.sota, Rasbora or Bearded titteya, and Trichopsis vittata or T. pumila.

To create a ferry reproducing the conditions of a river of the forest of the island of Bornéo, one could choose of the P. pentazona, Betta, Rasbora, Trichogaster trichopterus, Trichogaster leeri, Mastacembelus, Bearded pentazona, Bearded binotatus

To imagine a course of water of mountain where water is clear, fresh, often lasts and alkaline, one will associate Rasbora caudimaculata, Rasbora meinkeni, Rasbora argyrotaenia, Bearded rhomboocellatus, Bearded lateristriga, Bearded binotatus, and various Gastromyzon.

Non exhaustive list of native plants of the Asian southeast.

Easy plants and not very exacting

Acorus gamineus
Crinum thaianum
Cryptocoryne beckettii
Cryptocoryne crispatula var.balansae
Cryptocoryne parva
Cryptocoryne undulata
Cryptocoryne wendtii
Hygrophila corymbosa "siamensis"
Hygrophila corymbosa "stricta"
Hygrophila difformis
Hygrophila polysperma
Hygroryza aristata
Limnophila sessiliflora
Microsorum pteropus
Rotala rotondifolia
Salvinia
Vallisneria
Vesicularia dubyana

More difficult plants, needing a good light, of fertilizer and of the C02 for well to prosper.

Aponogeton rigidifolius
Cardamine lyrata
Eusteralis stellata
Glossostigma elatinoides
Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides
Hydrocotyle verticillata
Limnophila aromatica
Nuphar japonica
Rotala macranda
Rotala wallichii"


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Is there anyone that can help with it? I know the basics of the driftwood and rock but looking for more insight on the "feel" of the habitat.


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My Dad was a jump medic for the 101st Airborne in Viet Nam whom served 3 tours.

I have a HUGE box of pictures of that area which he gave to me when I left the Army in 92.

If you are interested I can get some of these scanned and shoot them over too you.. By NO MEANS AM I WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE RIGHTS TO POST ANY OF THESE IMAGES ANYWHERE ON THE NET, but I am willing to allow you to view them

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you're looking for underwater shots?
There are plenty of above water shots on the net.. As you can see, it's brown.
As mentioned before, the Mekong is massive and has a wide variety of 'feel', from the source to the delta. And it's nothing unique either.. It reminds me a lot of the Amazon river.

If you're going to something that feels 'natural' for bettas and rasboras, you might want to look at streams, pools and not the mighty river.

oh yeah, I saw this in another forum.
http://www.siamensis.org/board/7327.html
there are some underwater shots of a tributary of the mekong in thailand.


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I couldnt really find anything on the Mekong river.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_e_kvSJwYc

Its in SA but it might give you some ideas.

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Thanks everyone. Those actually gave me all the ideas I needed. As Mistergreen said it looks alot like the Amazon so both sites helped.


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hey fshfanatic I'd like to see those pictures just for the heck of it. I like historical stuff.
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