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I need some help with advice on where I am at.. I have never had a fish tank. so no experience with anything fish tank related. My big question is.. am I on track, are my plants that I see turning icky ok - any advice as to what I should do?

So here is my setup

"walstad method"
90g near a window with sun exposure
finnex ray2
(was on for 12h a day, I recently reduced to ~6h a day + morning sunlight gets to it)
eheim canister
UV filter (not powered up)

flora fauna (all from a dot com plant provider back east (I am in seattle)
there are only snails, that are layin eggs and getting fat
Amazon Sword- Large pot
Aponogeton, Madagascar Lace (Aponogeton madagascariensis)
Cryptocoryne Parva (bare root)(also available in pots)
Cryptocoryne, Lutea (Cryptocoryne lutea) Pot (medium size)
Cryptocoryne, Wendtii, Bronze (Cryptocoryne wendtii v. Tropica)
Java Moss (Vesicularia Dubyana)(4 oz size portion)
Sagittaria, Subulata (narrow leaf)(Sagittaria subulata) - 10 Plants per order
Sword, Ozelot (Echinodorus Ozelot)(potted)(Large)
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and a $1.99 westeria purchased a petsmart
one sinking moss ball from Local FS added 2 days after the initial planting
two floating moss balls from Local FS added 5 days after inital planting

chemistry
ph~77
gh~4
kh~4
nitrate ~5ppm
nitrite ~0
ammonia=-0

the tank has been up with plants for about 7 days now, I did precondition the soil with water and the westeria it has been up for about 20 days now.

since the first initial plant load out I have done 1 full water change shortly after planting to clean out water. and one 30% water change 3 days later.

I had significant pearling for the first two days now I see no significant except for the moss balls.

I have attached a few examples of questionable areas I don't know if i should worry about. I have marked them up.

Red=appears like death
Green=New Growth
Yellow= Plant hasn't done anything at all
no markup photo is the initial planting day one
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 03-01-2014, 06:00 PM Thread Starter
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nothing? ... was it something I said
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Hey, spudgunman. Its just a lot of information to see at one time.

I'm no expert, that's for sure but it seems that your not dosing any fertz.

Like I said, I'm no expert. You'll have to wait for a more knowledgeable person to tell you what your missing.

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There is a couple things you need and one looks like potassium, pinholes in leaves is a sign the plant needs potassium. Seachem makes liquid potassium. You need to research micro and macro nutrients all plants need those in some form or another, its obvious your substrate isn't enough. If your plants aren't pearling then they probably need CO2. CO2 is a big one. I make my own CO2, with yeast, and sugar. Go on youtube and look up DIY CO2 system. Thats the cheapest way to go. The best is a pressurized co2 system but its expense, and since your new to aquariums I'd keep it simple. Look into getting some rootabs, as a form of nutrients, for example amazon swords are heavy root feeders they do best with rootabs. What I would go ahead and do is a big water change and trim anything that is dead or dying (as close to the substrate as you can) because those leaves will suck up nutrients from the parts of the plants that are still alive. Also dead plants and rotting leaves will cause ammonia. Looks like you added a bunch of plants at one time and they used up the nutrients in the tank really fast and since your not adding any additional ferts they started to decline.

Things to make sure you have:
Good lighting
CO2
micro and macro nutrients
good water flow
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I don't know what the red circles are for on your "spotted" plant,
but that is an Ozelot Swordplant, and they are supposed to look like that.
New leaves can emerge anywhere from fire orange to red!

Here is an awesome 12" leaf that grew on one of mine recently.
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Thanks for the feedback.. Specially on those Ozelot spots didn't know that.

I will check out some potassium however I am going for a slow growth no fert tank. Since I posted most plants but the crypts are showing good possibility of life now. But I think I might get some K,N, and dissolved C to dose the tank a little to recover from my initial over lighting and thus plant out of chemicals situation.
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Thanks for the feedback.. Specially on those Ozelot spots didn't know that.

I will check out some potassium however I am going for a slow growth no fert tank. Since I posted most plants but the crypts are showing good possibility of life now. But I think I might get some K,N, and dissolved C to dose the tank a little to recover from my initial over lighting and thus plant out of chemicals situation.
Sounds good, best of luck, keep us updated.
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Water Change and trim the dying plants would be awesome advice. What your probably seeing is your plants adjusting to your tank parameters. They will do this and will have some die off from shipping. Not all plants will do great from being out of the water for a few days. Easy part is that the plant usually doesn't die off completely and will bounce back. You have hardy plants so they should be alright for the time being.
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Do not do a water change if you're attempting the Walstad method.


The Walstad method sort of requires a slower planting schedule. It takes awhile for the fish mulm to build up enough to create a suitable reservoir of nutrients for the quantity of plants you have installed in your tank. I would guess that your plants are competing fiercely for scarce fertilizer from the tank soil. Remember, the Walstad method requires nutrients from both soil AND fish waste. Since you have already heavily (and quite beautifully) planted your tank, I would suggest adding some artificial ferts. Even if you added fish right away, it would take awhile for their business to accumulate enough to save your plants.
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Thanks for the tip.. Yea I did get some micro ferts to help it stay on track.. Every 2 weeks minimal dose.. I won't change water good point
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Added a 2nd heater to assist the first unit, they cycle for shorter times now so that is good. One is vertical one is horizontal.

I added 10MTS then 4 days later added 2 Assassin's

Also Shrimp day! Added 20 shrimp they are active critters. RCS.

Also took out one assassin as I was loosing too many MTS too quick.

Water chemistry looks good, ph7.6 kh/gh=6 amonia and nitrites zero, nitrates at ~5
(taken with light on)

Filter is running 24/7 with cotton "floss" and bio media and a cuttlebone.
Light still at about 4 hours at night, with low daylight all day.

Tank hasn't been touched yet, added 4g of water few days before the shrimp arrived.
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