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Newbie with a new 30 Gallon Tank

The New Tank Measurements

My bad on the post topic, i thought it was a 30 but actually is a 36g

L -30inch
H- 21inch
W-15 1/2inch



PS. Glass is not broken. thats my stuff in the fish tank stand


Hey guys,

This is my first post so bare with me

So I just got a new free tank today. I'm planning to move my current 30g to the new 30g.. Since I am starting fresh I wanted to scape it a little and set up the substrate and plants before adding water/fish.

I need help on scaping, since I have never done it before and was looking for suggestions.

My goal for the tank is easy growing plants that doesn't require a lot of light nor CO2 injection (I already have a DIY co2 setup for my current tank but it is not being used, so If i need to i am willing to set it up and pump co2). I do however want plants to carpet the floor and have a lot of green basically filling up the whole tank. My goal is to have the tank have a forestly natural look to it.

I also need help on finding a light fixture for this tank.. My old one is way too small. Not looking to spend too much, But I do want a High light setup just in case i decide on getting plants that require high light and a timer on it switch on it as well. I also want it to be LED.

I feel like i'm asking a lot for u guys so please go easy on me lol thanks in advance.. Let me know if you guys want any better pictures.


Questions............

I really hate this about my new tank.. Can I cut this piece off?? Planning on a open hood Tank. I wanted to take off all the plastic on the top to make it look like an edge less glass like my current one but I read it wasn't advised to do so




I currently Have Fluval Stratum Substrate mixed with sand. But I remember reading you can buy a bag of substrate (a specific brand dirt) from home depot for really cheap compared to the fluval stratum substrate? If I can't go the home depot route I was thinking about transferring some of my old substrate and mixing it with a new bag of fluval stratum?? Is the sand bad ??



Here is my current stock of plants that I'm planning on moving over to the new tank.




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As far as substrate if you plan on moving plants a lot don't go with dirt it will get messy for you, been there done that lol. If you like to rescape things I'd suggest going with something like eco complete or something similar. Now if you want to use dirt you can get miracle grow organic choice potting mix at home Depot for about 5 dollars or so. I'd get two bags for that tank and then you can put your sand/fluval stuff on top for the cap. It's up to you the possibilities are endless.

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from the dimensions you gave I think that's a 36 gallon bowfront.(same as mine). personally I wouldn't remove that brace. Plus it doesn't really effect the light all that much. As far as the light I have a 30 inch finnex ray 2 on mine and it is very bright. I just recently stopped using co2 and I am fighting algea. good luck with the new tank.


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As far as substrate if you plan on moving plants a lot don't go with dirt it will get messy for you, been there done that lol. If you like to rescape things I'd suggest going with something like eco complete or something similar. Now if you want to use dirt you can get miracle grow organic choice potting mix at home Depot for about 5 dollars or so. I'd get two bags for that tank and then you can put your sand/fluval stuff on top for the cap. It's up to you the possibilities are endless.

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I was thinking of going dirt sense I won't be using any type of ferts (if i dont have to) or anything like that.. I was going to do a hardscape and once i like it, I'll plant and leave it alone.. only trimming and other maintenance would be touched in the tank.


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from the dimensions you gave I think that's a 36 gallon bowfront.(same as mine). personally I wouldn't remove that brace. Plus it doesn't really effect the light all that much. As far as the light I have a 30 inch finnex ray 2 on mine and it is very bright. I just recently stopped using co2 and I am fighting algea. good luck with the new tank.
Yeah I noticed it when I went into Petsmart today.. i was like sweet bigger tank! lol As for the lighting do you have any pictures of it?? does it penetrate enough for me to grow dwarf grass? or any other simple carpeted plants? I was reading in the light section that some people need two and the visual lighting isn't that appealing

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Well for dwarf hair grass co2 is strongly encouraged for it to properly root and such, yes I do have pictures for you!

My 10 gallon with the planted plus fixture

My 20 gallon with a planted plus fixture

Both of these tanks follow the same schedule lights on from 9 to Noon then 5 to 7am. I dose generic excel(glutaraldehyde) and also dose macro on Monday and micros on Tuesday and a after change on Sunday. In the 20 glow is dwarf sag planted pretty thick, this gives a nice carpet effect and it is such an easy plant to grow.

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The Ray 2 has a lot of penetration

Plenty of videos on Youtube. Its a good LED fixture for deeper tanks. I would venture a guess that you will end up around 18-20" from light to substrate.
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I don't have any pics at the moment. I will advise if you don't wont to use co2 I would think about getting the planted+. like I said the ray 2 is very bright. I stopped using co2 and raised the light about 4 inches above the tank and still getting some serious algae.


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I don't have any pics at the moment. I will advise if you don't wont to use co2 I would think about getting the planted+. like I said the ray 2 is very bright. I stopped using co2 and raised the light about 4 inches above the tank and still getting some serious algae.
What is planted +??

What filter are you using? And your bioload?

I'm still snooping around. I need to read about what type of lighting I need still and pars and all that. Have no clue about it.
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The Ray 2 has a lot of penetration

Plenty of videos on Youtube. Its a good LED fixture for deeper tanks. I would venture a guess that you will end up around 18-20" from light to substrate.
So mine is considered deep?? Will I be able to grow plants that require high light. And if I have low light plants will they get hurt from the high light??

Or will I get Algee issues?
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I have an ac 70 hob filter. planted+ is the newest finnex fixture. I don't think its quite as bright as the ray 2 but incorporates red leds for a broader spectrum. Just check out the sponsor section under finnex/Schubert wright. tons of questions and reviews about both lights.


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You will be able to grow MOST plants with the planted plus and dirted substrate. Now some plants need co2 to flourish I run generic excel which is 35 dollars for a gallon and you dilute that to make a mixture of 2.5 excel just like seachem sells.

Again most plants will do fine. If you choose water column stems you might need to dose some ferts to the water column but try it without first and see how it goes. I would stick with root feeders if you do go dirted they will grow awesome once they establish themselves.

Also, it is personal opinion on which one you get, although I'd hate to see you get the ray2 and then have algae problems it can get discouraging quickly when that happens. Again it is personal preference but do check out the finnex sponsor section many good questions on there

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I have an ac 70 hob filter. planted+ is the newest finnex fixture. I don't think its quite as bright as the ray 2 but incorporates red leds for a broader spectrum. Just check out the sponsor section under finnex/Schubert wright. tons of questions and reviews about both lights.
Checking out videos and I like the planted + .. it really makes the colors pop. As long as it gives enough light to the plants.. I like broader spectrum of light.

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You will be able to grow MOST plants with the planted plus and dirted substrate. Now some plants need co2 to flourish I run generic excel which is 35 dollars for a gallon and you dilute that to make a mixture of 2.5 excel just like seachem sells.

Again most plants will do fine. If you choose water column stems you might need to dose some ferts to the water column but try it without first and see how it goes. I would stick with root feeders if you do go dirted they will grow awesome once they establish themselves.

Also, it is personal opinion on which one you get, although I'd hate to see you get the ray2 and then have algae problems it can get discouraging quickly when that happens. Again it is personal preference but do check out the finnex sponsor section many good questions on there

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I have no clue what u meant when you said "water column" and "root feeders" I don't know what those are. Sorry new to this hobbie so i don't know much.. I think I am going to order the finnex ray 2 planted + sense everyone has been recommending it. Its $90.00 on amazon right now..

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The Ray 2 has a lot of penetration

Plenty of videos on Youtube. Its a good LED fixture for deeper tanks. I would venture a guess that you will end up around 18-20" from light to substrate.
Yeah it's 21 inches deep. I've read a lot of comments saying the planted+ isn't enough light. But in YouTube videos it seems good. Will I get enough par for carpeted plants??
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Well for dwarf hair grass co2 is strongly encouraged for it to properly root and such, yes I do have pictures for you!

My 10 gallon with the planted plus fixture

My 20 gallon with a planted plus fixture

Both of these tanks follow the same schedule lights on from 9 to Noon then 5 to 7am. I dose generic excel(glutaraldehyde) and also dose macro on Monday and micros on Tuesday and a after change on Sunday. In the 20 glow is dwarf sag planted pretty thick, this gives a nice carpet effect and it is such an easy plant to grow.

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Wow that's a lot of light. Will it be the same for my tank? I feel like that black bar in the middle is going to block a lot of the leds
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First off let me ask how much you know about balance and light with fertilizer with co2? Are you relatively familiar with these things? Just to get a basis of where we should start.

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