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Auto water change VS bucket filter idea

Is this idea a valid one?

Instead of always changing water weekly all at once and using a bucket filter, why dont I just make a auto change system...

1 bucket full of water under the stand with a small pump (aka diy auto top ups) via float valve ect..

2nd empty bucket with an airline tube and flow controller so the drip system allows a slow drip rate, maybe so slow that it takes 7 days to fill 5 gallon bucket...

This way water is still being changed out with fresh water 24/7 just very slow.

now if I do this, would I still require a seperat filter???
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if I understand this correctly.

1) drip water from display tank into 5g bucket
2) when tank water is low enough fill from 1g bucket

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I think he is trying to create a loop between the buckets and tank.


[tank]
/ /
{bad water bucket} {good water bucket}

As the water is being taken out of the tank via air hose to the bad bucket, good water would be pumped into the tank from the good bucket. You would only have to emtpy the bad water and then just fill up the good water bucket. No more putting water directly into the tank. I've never messed with a sump set up, but this seems like a poor mans sump with buckets lol
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Either way, you'd still need in-tank filtration, especially if you're slow-changing the water.

An auto water changer isn't a bad idea, but you still have to vacuum the tank, unless you're using under-gravel filters.

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I think he is trying to create a loop between the buckets and tank.


[tank]
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{bad water bucket} {good water bucket}

As the water is being taken out of the tank via air hose to the bad bucket, good water would be pumped into the tank from the good bucket. You would only have to emtpy the bad water and then just fill up the good water bucket. No more putting water directly into the tank. I've never messed with a sump set up, but this seems like a poor mans sump with buckets lol
he mentioned a float valve though, so i guess that would be for an emergency shut off if the tank filled too much. such as... what happens when the pump shuts off and siphons back into the 1g bucket?

my only concern with a system that runs continuously like this is you're more likely to end up with something going wrong. I'd be more interested in the "flip a switch" water change that you can run while supervising.


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yup, I just see boxboy coming home to an almost empty tank and water on the floor b/c something went wrong.
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i'm building my own aquarium controller and including an auto top off system for the sump, and i'm very much worried about that. I'll be using two float switches connected to each other (so one is an emergency shut off if the sump water gets too high it'll break the electrical connection), and a check valve, for extra safety. and i'm still worried it'll overflow something...


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I think he is trying to create a loop between the buckets and tank.


[tank]
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{bad water bucket} {good water bucket}

As the water is being taken out of the tank via air hose to the bad bucket, good water would be pumped into the tank from the good bucket. You would only have to emtpy the bad water and then just fill up the good water bucket. No more putting water directly into the tank. I've never messed with a sump set up, but this seems like a poor mans sump with buckets lol
Excatly correct lol Not that I caint have a sump, I just dont wanna drill the tank or have ugle pvc hanging over the trim.. But otherwise you got it
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I've thought about doing something similar, but the "unknown" and potential to drain the tank has kept me in research mode. I have something similar to what you described set up for my r/o system. It just runs until the bin is full and shuts off. I don't have to worry about watching it anymore.
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The only point of the float valve is to have the "good" water enter the tank when the tanks water drops below the float valves level. Basicly thats the only time the pump would be "ON" other wise it would off and the only thing still running 24/7 would be the drip line into a 5gal bucket...

I just wanted to know if I still would require an actual filter VS having water changes do it for me, since I dont pay for water I dont care how much water I use...

Still, weekly water changes would be super easy with a drip system..
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So you do not have a filter on the tank currently, or are looking to remove the filter from the tank?
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I've thought about doing something similar, but the "unknown" and potential to drain the tank has kept me in research mode. I have something similar to what you described set up for my r/o system. It just runs until the bin is full and shuts off. I don't have to worry about watching it anymore.
Pretty much.. My only concers is the "timeing" of how long it takes to fill the "bad water bucket" with water from the tank... If I can get it to take 5-7days to fill, then really all I have tk do is set an alarm to reminde myself to dump the bucket and fill the other bucket with good water..
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So you do not have a filter on the tank currently, or are looking to remove the filter from the tank?
Its an empty 40 breeder tank right now, no water or anything, just got it. planing my plans before I go ahead and set it up..
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I just wanted to know if I still would require an actual filter
that depends on the rest of your system. tank size, plant density, fish load, etc.


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that depends on the rest of your system. tank size, plant density, fish load, etc.
Understandable...
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Low/Med light tech tank
med fish stocking with med plant stocking.
weekly water changes and at the very least a fluval 305
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