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Deal or no deal?

I was just surfing on my Toronto based aquarium forum under the for sale section, and I came across a real good deal. I'm seriously considering it. What do you guys think (please don't steal the deal by buying it for yourself ).

So the guy is probably getting out of the hobby and is selling:

55G Perfecto tank
glass tops
48" Coralife T5 dual bulb
Eheim 2215
2x AC70
AC 150 powerhead
Tetratec 100 Airpump
Big Als moneysaver Oak stand
Oak colored Estes spectrastone gravel
Eheim Jager 200 Watt heater
Coralife digital thermometer

Only $300 for everything

I did some simple addition and if what he says is true, the stuff is worth at least way more than $300.

What do you think?
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That's definitely less than 1/2, or even 1/4 than you would pay for everything new. I'd say it looks like a pretty good deal, but only if you would be happy with a 55g dimensions. Most folks are unhappy with the depth (12") of a 55g tank, especially for trying to aquascape.

Other than that, I don't know if you'll find a much better deal for all that equipment!!
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FWIW, I like my 55 gallon, and didn't have a hard time doing the hard scape.
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It's a pain but it can be done. I wish I were done with college, cause the other day I saw a sweet deal for a 75g, stand, canopy, eheim 2217, T5 hood, and a bunch of other stuff for only 275

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Too late, I just bought it. LOL jk

I sold my 55 gallon tank several years ago for $150, which included an iron stand, hood, light, UGF, and some decor. I found this to be an average price here in my area (Chicago metro area) for a 55 gallon tank, with similar equipment. $300 may be just a little high if I were looking for a 55 gallon tank, but if the equipment suits you, then go for it.
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my 55g is 24" tall?


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Too late, I just bought it. LOL jk

I sold my 55 gallon tank several years ago for $150, which included an iron stand, hood, light, UGF, and some decor. I found this to be an average price here in my area (Chicago metro area) for a 55 gallon tank, with similar equipment. $300 may be just a little high if I were looking for a 55 gallon tank, but if the equipment suits you, then go for it.


It could be in Canadian currency so the price is actually lower in U.S. dollars. That makes it closer to your price. Just a thouht
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It could be in Canadian currency so the price is actually lower in U.S. dollars. That makes it closer to your price. Just a thouht
Er, actually at the moment it's almost one for one, or actually more, the US dollar has lost so much of its value .

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It doesnt sound like too bad of a deal if youre happy with a 55gal.

I usually start at a buck a gallon and around %50 of retail on the accessories as a guesstimate if I'm haggling on a deal. (if it's already priced lower than that even better)

I'd offer them 200 and see where it goes.


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BTW the Canadian currency is at part or even stronger than the American dollar. That’s why there’s about a 4 hour line-up at the Canadian-American border—all these Canadians going to the States to buy cheap stuff, since we have so much buying power over there now.

Well I guess it’s still a pretty good deal. I don’t like the width of the tank, but he’s selling the stand too so there’s no point getting a new tank that’s wider. I’m not sure what normal 55G retails for, but would say about $100 normally.

Here’s a rough estimate, assuming half price for every equipment, based on BigAls’s prices, since they sell for the lowest retail prices and most of the equipment seems to be bought from there.

55G Perfecto tank – a dollar a gallon = $55
glass tops = $30 /2 = $15
48" Coralife T5 dual bulb, not sure if it’s just the bulbs or the whole kit… if just bulbs, then $25 each, $50 for 2, but half price that so $25.
Eheim 2215 = $230 / 2 = $115
2x AC70 (I guess HOB filters) = $40 x2 = $80, half price = $40
AC 150 powerhead (there’s no 150 series, so I’m guessing #50 = $40, half price = $20
Tetratec 100 Airpump= $35 retail, = $17 half price
Big Als moneysaver Oak stand (48 x 12) = $140, half price = $70
Oak colored Estes spectrastone gravel ($22 per 25 pounds) I guess 2 bags to fill the 55 g means x2, but half price = $22
Eheim Jager 200 Watt heater = $36 retail, half price = $18
Coralife digital thermometer $10, $5 half price.

You add it up: 55 + 15 + 25 + 115 + 40 + 20+17 + 70 + 22 + 18 + 5 = $402.
That’s still $402, at HALF PRICE OF RETAIL! Even if you bought it from ebay, it wouldn’t be close.

I think asking for $200 starting is going too far. $300 is already a bargain.
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The main thing is the light and filter, since those are costly to begin with. How much would a 2215 run you? I'd say at least 60 bucks, even used. Same goes for the lights. Add that together and you'd have 120. That still leaves you with 180 for the rest of it. If you feel that the rest is a good deal, go for it.

Personally, I got 2 x 55g tanks (1 with a broken brace), 2x stands (1 crappy 1 not), a 110W PC fixture, an Emperor 400, a Via Aqua powerhead, and 2x 18W hood lights (crappy ones) for 100. It was kind of a mix and match job, but that was a great deal. I ended up with 1 good tank, 1 good stand, a 110W PC light, a bunch of other stuff, and I sold the crappy tank and stand for like 30 bucks for someone looking to use it for lizards. I think 300 is a bit steep.

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I highly recommend NOT going with a 55 gallon. I know it's an ok deal (not great, so don't rush it), and that hearing this right now with the good deal and all may be a bummer, but if you really want to have any depth and complexity to your hardscape, 12'' just does not cut it.

I had a 29 gallon with 30" x 12" x 18" dimensions and trying to scape it really just drove me INSANE, you can't fit anything that doesn't go off angle from left to right, try and fit something that goes towards the back or front, forget it. So what I did, was sell it, and buy an ADA 75cm that has dimensions of 29.5" x 18" x 18" (just more depth) and I have to say that the dimensions are near perfected by the added depth, and are obviously designed for a planted tank upon inspection.

Fish don't need to move both front to back and side to side, they can do one of either and be happy without the other, so company's like Perfecto and All-Glass make their tanks very long and high, but not deep, to give the impression of a larger tank. This method of deception is also at a benefit to the most common use of those tanks, and that is, fish-keeping, because fish are very happy with lots of right to left space, and don't require much depth, unless they are very large. Thus their tanks are able to suit most customers (fishkeepers) and still maintain an impression that the tank is actually larger than it is by putting all the volume into length, appearing to be more space for the $$$.

When you look at ADA tanks (or any tank designed with scaping in mind) you see that they were obviously created with AQUASCAPING in mind, not fish keeping. When designed, they worry less about the appearance in size, but the ability to properly create an aquascape. Then instead of taking away ease of use to make the tank seem larger, they then go the extra yard by taking the trims off, killing two or three birds with one stone, effectively making the tank more pleasing to the eye, built with thicker glass and more quality seals, appear larger, and have an overall cleaner, more elegant look.

Furthermore, this does not only apply to ADA tanks, but all trim-less, rimless tanks made with dimensions that consider the possibility of aquascaping, and of course, made of quality glass and seals, and made by quality craftsman who put thought an effort into each tank. I merely used ADA as an example, because of the their good reputation, and the "oh yeah, I know those tanks, thats true" element.

Basically, if your heart is set on that deal, I don't blame you. It's a good price. Although I do recommend re-thinking merely the dimensions of the tank before immediately purchasing it if there is a possibility of you creating a scape with extensive depth and complexity. Be patient, rushing in this hobby can lead to disappointment and such. Ask the seller if you can have some time to think it over, patience is the key. Good luck, and most of all, have fun!

These pieces of advice are 100% my opinion, and may vary depending on who you ask, so the decision in the end is up to you

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Dekstr I know youre saying its already a bargain, but I'm betting dollars to donuts theyll come down some if you haggle with them.
Most people will raise their asking price above what theyre willing to accept. Its human nature (I started to say its "the American way"...lol)
Anyways what I'm driving at is if you offer them $200 youre losing nothing. Theyll either stand firm on the price, or may meet you in the middle and say $250 (which is what I was thinking they would accept when I originally suggested you offer $200)
Its always worth a shot to haggle...


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I'm not too sold on the deal anymore.

The guy is asking for 300 no less.

I don't mind the narrow width that much though. I run a 20g high and it's 12 inches wide, which I find only slightly bothersome in scaping. Just leaves less room for the background.
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The problem is that the ratio of dept to width is smaller, it's harder to make the scape. I actually don't like my 55 cause of the depth problem. Maybe cause I'm trying a dutch.
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