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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 11-11-2007, 07:54 AM Thread Starter
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Ich remedies

I have an ich outbreak in my 100 gallon tank that has amano and cherry shrimp. I'm looking for some remedies or meds that are shrimp safe. Thanks in advance.
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crank up the heat and add Aquarium Salt. DO NOT USE COPPER AS IT WILL KILL YOUR SHRIMPS.

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I'll try raising the temp and aquarium salt. How high should I go up on the temp?
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I believe you want to raise it to somewhere around 82. I have gone into the high 80's before but I am not sure if its necessary. Raise the temp slowly over the next couple of days though. What kind of fish do you have in the tank? Its it really bad already or are you catching it early.
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I have some green barred danios, bn plecos, SAE, and some botia striata. The danios and loaches only have like one to two spots each, so the outbreak isn't that bad yet.
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82 should be good, I wouldnt go higher than 85.

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I'll give that a try. Anyone recommend any type of meds just in case this doesn't work?
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I'll give that a try. Anyone recommend any type of meds just in case this doesn't work?
If that doesn't work it isn't ich. Ich cannot survive in warm water, salt will make the fish feel better.....DC
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What about more heat-resistant strains of ich? I know ich dies at high temps, but if it's not high enough, wouldn't it also speed up its life cycle thus faster ich breakouts? Just a question, cause I have ich in my fish tank too shrimps too.
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Actually anything below 86 will just speed up the cycle, after you get above 86 the heat kills ick. But its only vulnerable in one of its three stages in life. So speeding up the cycle is a good thing, and although you will see a larger break out on your fish - it should clear up soon.

I cranked my heat up to 88-90 when my barbs/pleco had ick. Just make sure you have enough aeration and that the temperature stays stable.
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I completly 2nd Gundy!

Anything under 86 degrees is just going to speed up the death of your fish. Ick has a three stage lifecycle and is only vunerable to any treatment during a very limited time. Temps above 86 kill it while lower temps just make it proliferate more!

Raise your temp to 88 and leave it there for 2 weeks!
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Do plecos tolerate salt well? I'd be concerned. You can eliminate ich without using salt and just relying on heat.

You can also eliminate it without using heat (but with salt)--it just takes longer.

I haven't had to use any medications but if you do, be sure all the tank residents can take it. Shrimp and catfish are such nuisances!
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If that doesn't work it isn't ich. Ich cannot survive in warm water, salt will make the fish feel better.....DC
I thought the heat sped up the cycle and the salt killed the parasite. Interesting.

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If I get ich I raise the temp to about 80, and do water changes to such the parasite off the substrate (I think part of the ich lifecycle sits on the substrate when they fall off the fish).

At the same time I feed the fish something they really enjoy like bloodworms to keep them eating.
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The salt kills the freeliving stage. The heat gets them to the freeliving stage faster by speeding their development. AND high heat (mid 80sish) kills them salt or not. I don't know what stage high heat kills, but it does.

I've done high heat no salt on one tank and I've done high salt no heat on my other. Ideally, both would be my choice, but I didn't want to salt some of my scaleless fishes in one tank and the other I didn't have a good enough heater (but had fish that could tolerate a tbsp per gallon--that concentration severely damaged my Java fern, though).
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