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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 10-29-2007, 05:42 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation help!!! german rams need help!!!

this is thier second day in their new home, i have read about them alot but this hasnt come up yet...They had a 2 hour ride from palm springs to their new home in san diego. They did fine on the trip. When i tgot them home, i acclimated them very slowly and they were fine all through the night, this mourning i woke up to find both of them in their cave and breathing very hard. I checked my parameters last night when they got home and the water was alittle on the hard side and like 6.4-6.8 ph...alkinity was alittle low and the nitrate and nitrites were nothing...help would be great, oh and by the way, they were sacred of my when i feed them last night but they ate off the ground after i left, This tank is in my room so i can watch them all night. My tank has been up and running since friday so maybe it is because the tank is still cycling. Any help would be great...im gonna go get some new testers after school today because i ran out. also, it could be the water temp because my tank is a little colder than my malawi and my malawi is at 80 degrees so maybe it is my temp. all help would be great, thanks alot.!!!

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German blues are hard fish to keep and I would not have added them to a tank that is the very very very begining stages of cycling. in fact one could say your tank hasn't even begun to cycle.

If you have a good LFS ask them to hold the fish for you while you get the tank cycled
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Did you add mulm to the tank when you started it? If not, I'd get the fish out of there now. Even if you did add mulm I'd get the fish out of there now. Have you measured the ammonia level? Obvioulsy in a cycling tank you'll see ammonia before you see nitrite. It's been two weeks since my tank has been up and I'm still getting a 0.1 ammonia reading. No mulm was added though b/c I didn't have any. For now I have to be patient until I can add my first algae eaters. Hopefully this weekend.

Oh, you might want to try a product like bio-spira if you're anxious to get the cycle completed. I'm going without since I'm on a budget and time is free.
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I recommend you get bio-spira if you want any chance at keeping the fish alive at this point. Even then, they might (probably won't) make it. How did you cycle the tank? I don't know of any cycling method that only take 4 days. When you use bio-spira, you aren't really cycling the tank, since you are adding the bacteria colony straight into the tank, and you have to have the fish in there with them.

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the only thing wierd though is they still have their color and they are wild caught so they dont have hormones.. they are very colorful in fact, so i just dont know what to do...

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they seem ok...maybe...i just dont want them to die because these are top quality fish i have...by the way, thanks for the info...

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bump.....................

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Is it a new tank? Perhaps loan them to a friend with an established tank. Of course they shouldn't die but not just because they're "top-quality fish" (read: you spent a lot of money on them without making sure they'd do well, and you don't want to lose that money) but because it's pointless and a complete waste to buy fish just to have them die from poor husbandry. JMO.
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How many plants do you have in the tank? Not that it really matters. My tank started out heavily planted and my ammonia still got up to .6 on day 6. Take Caesar's advice and let a friend take care of them. What about putting them in a separate container and doing daily water changes until the tank cycles? Not sure if this would even work of if you'd stress out the fish too much. If it were me I would take the fish back to the lfs and ask them to hold them for me.
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Not sure why the "bump" above is even necessary, I think the info given pretty much sums it up, The fish will probably die if you don't do daily water changes or get them to an established tank fast...


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guess what guys...while we were messing with the trick-or-treaters today/tonight, my rams laid eggs...around 120...i cant believe it...my tank is no where close to what the parameters should be for laying eggs...but wala...idk what to do now...should i just keep going regularly and whatever survives, survives and whatever doesnt, doesnt...i just cant believe it...this is my first batch of egges for any fish species so i am very happy right now...keep me postsed on what to do...

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Eh, at first, the rams will start eating the eggs, until they become more "experienced", so don't be disappointed.
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How big is the tank? What other fish do you have in there? I would staert doing 30% w/c daily or every other day with R/O water feed every second or third day. DONT touch the filter.

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my fish have been guarding them for a while...they dont eat them...how much do they sell for...?

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