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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 12-11-2013, 01:56 AM Thread Starter
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Red face Need help & guidance on plant health

The plants were all planted in my tank on 11/22, about 1 week after I first started the tank. I had planted some stem plants a week earlier (cutoffs I had gotten through an aquabid auction).

The tank has ADA New Amazonia Aquasoil, ADA Power sand, ADA Tourmaline BC, and ADA Mekong Sand as substrate.

I have a in substrate auxiliary heater (not sure if that makes a difference).

I use CO2, keeping the drop checker at a light green. On a 6am, off at 6pm.

I have been dosing fertilizer daily using the PPS-Pro system (daily at 6am). Weekly 50% water changes.

Light is a 48" Build My LED with 6300K (should be ~60 PAR at substrate level). On a 7am - off at noon, on at 3pm - off at 8pm.

Most plants are doing really well, so well in fact that I already had to cut them back dramatically (doubled in size in 1 week). Yet some others are struggling.




Helanthium bolivianum ''quadricostatus''


Leaves are translucent. The foreground plant I have cut back. It seems that all new leaves are looking healthy, but the old leaves wither away. What causes this?


Ludwigia glandulosa



Initially it looked great, then after a few days it lost its red color. At some point it came back, but then the leaves started to melt.

Bolbitus Heudelotii




I got this only 3 days ago. It didn't look great when I put it in, but now it looks worse. Any suggestions?

Also, as you can see on the same photo I have algae growing on my driftwood. Not sure what algae that is, but this only started to grow in the last 7 days. I'm trying to reduce my light period right now to get this under control.

Any help appreciated.

thanks.
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A lot of plants that you buy are grown immersed and will lose their immersed leaves and start growing submersed leaves once planted in an aquarium. Give them some time to root and grow the proper leaves and they will be fine.
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How many grams or tsp of fertilizer are you adding per week when you do PPS-pro?

I can't tell if the holes in the ludwigia are in the newest leaves? The base of each leaf is blocked from view. Do the holes appear on the very newest leaves or only on the leaves a bit lower down? Also for the sword in the back right of this picture (below) are those similar holes/translucent areas in the leaf?

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Check out these as well. I've been looking at them to figure out what I need to change.

http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/aq...st-plants.html

http://www.aquaticplantenthusiasts.c...-diagrahm.html

http://aquarium-fertilizer.com/aquatic-plant-deficiency

I'm sure that there are better resources and someone will eventually suggest a solution, especially as you provide more pics at their request. Good luck, I hope this helps a little.
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Do 3x a week water changes for the 1st month, then taper off.
ADA aqua soil is really rich in NH4 and it's toasting the plants it looks like.

Once the tank is started off good, then you have few issue, but the 1st 1-2 months are the hardest. 2-3x a week water changes, 80% etc, are wise and reduce most issues.

Then it's all about the CO2.
Getting good CO2 for a new tank is the hardest thing to do.




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How many grams or tsp of fertilizer are you adding per week when you do PPS-pro?
I use 6ml of the solution, this boils down to:

0.4g K2SO4
0.4g KNO3
0.04g KH2PO4
0.3g MgSO4
0.5g Trace Element mix

0.3g are 1/8 tsp.

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I can't tell if the holes in the ludwigia are in the newest leaves? The base of each leaf is blocked from view. Do the holes appear on the very newest leaves or only on the leaves a bit lower down?
Here's the Ludwigia on the other side of the tank.



All the leaves towards the substrate were bad and I removed them. The rest looks healthy.

Same Ludwigias seen from the top:



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Also for the sword in the back right of this picture (below) are those similar holes/translucent areas in the leaf?


Here is a photo from the top. it seems the front one is rather healthy and the back one is translucent.

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Do 3x a week water changes for the 1st month, then taper off.
ADA aqua soil is really rich in NH4 and it's toasting the plants it looks like.
Oh my, but I can do that. Will start immediately and see if it improves.

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Here are a lot more photos, if somebody is interested: http://rettig.smugmug.com/Other/Aquarium/i-M44tXSS/A
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A lot of plants that you buy are grown immersed and will lose their immersed leaves and start growing submersed leaves once planted in an aquarium. Give them some time to root and grow the proper leaves and they will be fine.
I will check with the place that I bought the plants from how they grow them. That would explain a lot, because the other plants I got from aquabid are doing very well.

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Check out these as well. I've been looking at them to figure out what I need to change.
thank you, this is very helpful. A great collection of links.

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After seeing the new pictures you added I don't think this is a deficiency.

The damage seems to be uniformly in new and old growth which is more a sign of a toxicity than deficiency. Water changes are a good idea for now.

What size tank do you have?
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It's an ADA 120p - 240 liters or 63 gallons.
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ADA aqua soil is really rich in NH4 and it's toasting the plants it looks like.
It's amazing how an experienced eye can diagnose problems on sight. Just curious, do you know the current NH3 levels?
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Ammonia levels are about 0.5 ppm.
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Today after water change with my newly built siphon. Works great.

All plants seem to do good to great, with exception of the Ludwigia glandulosa. Continues to lose leaves. I confirmed with the plant seller now that it was grown immersed. On several of the stems I have now removed all old leaves and they seem to be growing nice replacement leaves. Just looks ugly, but I guess in 1 months it should be ok.

Oh, the other plant that didn't really work is the Bolbitus Heudelotii. I believe that was death on arrival. I don't believe that this one is related to the substrate, since it's not even in contact with it.

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Sounds good let us know with an update in a few weeks.
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