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German blue Ram trouble

So I purchased a male and female GBR about 3 weeks ago. They paired up almost immediately but after there first batch of eggs got eaten by pest snails the female started ignoring the male.
He then began chasing her anytime he could find/ see her. This continued for about a week and a half so I bought and electric blue female in hopes that they would pair but instead now the male just chases both females, constantly. all day. everyday.

What should I do?
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If the females get along and you have another tank remove the male.
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Get more males. As it is now he is the only alpha male in the tank.


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I'm guessing that these are adolescents? I've no experience with rams, but if they are anything like kribs, I'd figure that they just need time and space to get it right. They paired but weren't able to complete the process of raising fry, solidifying their bond and maturing him into a proper mate. I'd guess that he will eventually pair off again for another try. With 2 females I'd figure that he will eventually pick one and outcast the other. I'd give lots of hiding places and attempt to feed in a way that they don't fight for it. I see this type of activity in my tanks but most of the time reversed, with the female Kribs being very aggressive until the males are ready to pair up. (Mainly because my female fry grow quicker. I need to desperate them sooner but I'm still building that tank..heh) 6

Hopefully someone who breeds rams can help out more.

Of course, this could merely be aggressive behavior and nothing more, but what it sounds like is that he is ready to breed and the female is not. Give them some time. The fact that they paired once is a good sign. Also, I'm not sure if rams pair for life or if they will raise a harem. I only know Kribs, so that's all I can really say and it may very well be bad info, I don't know. good luck!

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How big is your tank? I have a ram pair in a 42g and I think if they hadnt paired up the male's beating would have just gone on and on despite tonnes of hiding places and LOS cutoffs.
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Well oddly enough the original pair did end up pairing back up FINALY and now like you guessed the other female has become an outcast and gets chased by the pair now..
These rams are in a 20 gallon long and I'm working on more hiding spaces, need to wait a little longer to do a trim and replant and im buying more plants as soon as I can find something that fits my needs for the tank
Thanks for all the help so far!
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I am sorry but in a 20g a paired up pair maybe ok but if they are beating the 3rd F, I dont see much hope in hiding places. they will seek her out. Rehoming the outcast is the best bet IMO. Good luck
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Ive been doing a lot of reading and I guess a rule of thumb is a pair needs 20 gallons so 2 pairs would need 40. I'm pretty stuck. I dont have another tank for the EBR and I really dont want to have to get rid of her. Would getting a male EBR be a good or bad idea to try and make 2 pairs rather than an outcast female just being beat up on?
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That is general rule of thumb, yes. When they were in my tank they were getting chased, although not severely beat up. I would see if you could get a separate male for that 10 gal and put the EB pair in there.


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The 10 seems a bit overstocked though, and with a betta in there I feel like someones going to die haha. Would getting a male EBR in the 20 be a bad idea? How are your rams doing Neoman?
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Doing good; scuffles every so often but they are not hurting eachother; rarely any nipped fins or anything.


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soooo, male EBR for the 20?
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Everyone will recommend against it. BUt i see that with a pair instead of a singled out fish, aggression tends to turn into just scuffles rather than constant chasing. Assuming the male accepts the EB female as a mate.

I think so, although you might want to wait until the tank is grown in a bit more and there are more hiding places. Just a Thought. Or maybe pick up some driftwood; that will help with lowering the pH to an extent, ultimately making the rams (and cardinals, for that matter) more comfortable in their own home.

I can say i've done the 2 pair in a 20 gallon several times, at least 3. Not once have I had a casualty because of it, and assuming they are the same size they just claim opposite ends of the tank. Size difference seems to be the main reason for over aggressiveness.


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