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Moderately or Lightly Planted Tank??????

Do you guys consider my tank Moderately Planted or Lightly Planted? The reason I'm asking is because I've been dosing EI & just realize (doh) that the dosing for 40~60gal I've been following is for a high light (260W, check) and moderately to heavy planted. Here is a pics of my tank to help me decided if I should cut down on my dosing or just continue dosing according to EI for 40~60gal.





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Looks moderate to me especially when that hairgrass and those stems fill in.

From Jersey Are you a NJAGC member?


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If that's only moderately planted... I've got a long way to go
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Looks moderate to me especially when that hairgrass and those stems fill in.

From Jersey Are you a NJAGC member?
So does that mean continue w/ the dosing for 40~60? What other plants can you suggest?

I am not a NJAGC member. I'm embarassed to join because all of you guys have such very nice tanks(checked your site). Maybe in the future when my tank gets to be as nice as you guys tanks(knock on wood). Thanks.

55G Planted Freshwater
4-Blood Parrot,5-Spotted & 2-Albino Cory,
8-Ottos,3-SAE
A.Sword,J.Fern,A.Nana,Vals,B.Pennyworth,R.Ludwigia ,R.Indica,Flame&JavaMoss,Bacopa
Emperor 400,Filstar XP3,200W Heater,Rena 400 Pump
Coralife 4-65W 6700K ,Tubo Twist 9W UV
5LB Pressurized CO2 System w/ SMS122 PH Controller
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If that's only moderately planted... I've got a long way to go
Don't worry about it. You just started this May, give it a little more time. I checked your tank's profile its very nice & looks algae free, all you have to do is add more plants. Check out the SWAP N SHOP section. This is just my suggestion maybe you should add "Flourite" to your plain gravel to help the plants to better grow. I added 2 Bags of Flourite last month & most of my plants just took off.

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4-Blood Parrot,5-Spotted & 2-Albino Cory,
8-Ottos,3-SAE
A.Sword,J.Fern,A.Nana,Vals,B.Pennyworth,R.Ludwigia ,R.Indica,Flame&JavaMoss,Bacopa
Emperor 400,Filstar XP3,200W Heater,Rena 400 Pump
Coralife 4-65W 6700K ,Tubo Twist 9W UV
5LB Pressurized CO2 System w/ SMS122 PH Controller
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So does that mean continue w/ the dosing for 40~60? What other plants can you suggest?


I am not a NJAGC member. I'm embarassed to join because all of you guys have such very nice tanks(checked your site). Maybe in the future when my tank gets to be as nice as you guys tanks(knock on wood). Thanks.
Yes I would continue the dosing
Actually my tank is similar to yours equipment wise.You should join NJAGC there are some great people on that site that will help you with all of your tank worries.Plus we have a meeting every other month with a plant sawp at the end.
It really is great fun if you are a serious aquaticplant enthusiast.


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Don't worry about it. You just started this May, give it a little more time. I checked your tank's profile its very nice & looks algae free, all you have to do is add more plants. Check out the SWAP N SHOP section. This is just my suggestion maybe you should add "Flourite" to your plain gravel to help the plants to better grow. I added 2 Bags of Flourite last month & most of my plants just took off.
I'm thinking about it... I wouldn't mind a deeper substrate either

I just bought 2 16" tall Amazon Swords with... 10-16 leaves each, 8 bunches of Elodea (1 bunch = 5 stems), and a few more vals.

Next paycheck brings a nice pressurized co2 system. My diy kit only gives me 8ppm co2. We'll see

edit: sorry to derail the thread
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I'm thinking about it... I wouldn't mind a deeper substrate either

I just bought 2 16" tall Amazon Swords with... 10-16 leaves each, 8 bunches of Elodea (1 bunch = 5 stems), and a few more vals.

Next paycheck brings a nice pressurized co2 system. My diy kit only gives me 8ppm co2. We'll see

edit: sorry to derail the thread
Good move on the pressurized CO2. What brand are you planning to buy? JBJ or Milwaukee?

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Coralife 4-65W 6700K ,Tubo Twist 9W UV
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Big vote to join the local club.
It'll make things about 10-100X easier.

Save you lots of $ as well.

EI is namely used to rule out a limitation, it does imply you require or need such concentrations. However, having them should not be an issue if you have good light, CO2 levels.

If you have troubles with CO2, then that's not the dosing's fault, that's the CO2/your fault.

Generally for your tank once you get CO2 going, about 1/2 the suggested EI ought to help and large weekly water changes are very wise for folks with larger well fed fish.

Ask any breeder.
Ask Tropica.
Ask Amano.

Of course some will suggest otherwise, suggesting less is better as far as nutrients, however, they balk and go the other way when it comes to the basic water change which even non planted folks know is a good idea for fish health.

Seems contradictory, but I generally do not suggest it due to the trade offs and the test/complexity.

Non CO2 methods I do not suggets water changes, but here we have a balanaced low fish load and much slower plant growth, so the biology can easily keep pace with the fish food/waste.

So that's the trade off there, and not a bad one either, but you will not be able to keep the fish load an feeding routine you presently have as the trade off.



In general, more plants and less fish = better place for fish.

So if you add more plants, it'll help the fish's environment.
More O2, less NH4 and nice look.

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Big vote to join the local club.
It'll make things about 10-100X easier.

Save you lots of $ as well.
Agree. I'm seriously thinking about it.

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EI is namely used to rule out a limitation, it does imply you require or need such concentrations. However, having them should not be an issue if you have good light, CO2 levels.

If you have troubles with CO2, then that's not the dosing's fault, that's the CO2/your fault.

Generally for your tank once you get CO2 going, about 1/2 the suggested EI ought to help and large weekly water changes are very wise for folks with larger well fed fish.
Right now according to Chuck's CO2/pH/KH calculator w/ my PH @ 6.3 & KH @ 3 Degrees I'm around 45PPM w/ my CO2. Which I think I have more than enough. Tom, you are referring to my tank about doing 1/2 the suggested EI dosing, right? Just want to make sure. I do 50% W/C every Sunday to reset.
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8-Ottos,3-SAE
A.Sword,J.Fern,A.Nana,Vals,B.Pennyworth,R.Ludwigia ,R.Indica,Flame&JavaMoss,Bacopa
Emperor 400,Filstar XP3,200W Heater,Rena 400 Pump
Coralife 4-65W 6700K ,Tubo Twist 9W UV
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Good move on the pressurized CO2. What brand are you planning to buy? JBJ or Milwaukee?
That will be for a different thread soon (maybe today) :p
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