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Planned Plant list (now with progress pics)

Ok, hi everyone, i am a new member, i have a few questions.

I just set up my tank just last week and it has been running with water, substrate, and filter and nothing else. A few pieces of driftwood has arrived in the mail and i have made some coconut caves. Here is my full information of the tank.

Current set-up:
75 gallon tank
108 watts T5 lights with TEK reflectors (5,000k PLANTA bulb with enhanced red and pink colors for photosynthesis, 10,000k bulb)
Rena XP3 canister filter: 20 ppi, 30ppi, bioballs, carbon (temporary), marineland rite size fit pads, water polishing pad, water polishing pad + (temporary).
Silica play sand (3 1/2 inches deep)
Driftwood
coconut caves
Daily dosing of flourish excel
Flourish root tabs

Ph is about 7.6-7.8

Planned Set-up:
20 von rio tetras
8 corydoras (probably bronze or albino)
4 bolivian rams
2 pearl guarmis
Algae eater (either 6 otos, 1 bn plec, amano shrimp, or SAE if i can find one)
Suggestions on other fish?

Java Moss
Java Fern
Anubias
Hornwort
Dwarf Clover
Valisneria (what type should i get?)
Maybe Crypts
Water lettuce
Amazon Swordplant

My question is will these plants work in my setup and are there other plants i could get? What fertilizers do i need besides the excel? Please note that i have inert silica sand so i dont want too many nutrients through roots plants in there although a tiny bit should be ok with the root tabs hopefully. Any other fish i could get?

Any comments or changes etc?

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Welcome to PT! The only real comment I have is that I have grown most of the plants on your list relatively successfully without CO2 or any fertilizers, with the exception of the root tabs you have already purchased for all of your root feeding plants (swords, crypts, etc). Can't wait to see some pics when you get it set up!
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do you add the plants before the cycle or after?
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Definitely before! Most people on here have said that if you have a heavily planted tank from the very beginning, the cycle is shorter and barely noticeable. Give this link a try for more info: http://www.rexgrigg.com/cycle.htm

I followed this advice but also added Bio Spira at the same time I added my fish, just in case.
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ok thank you. Would 10 small tetras be ok as the first fish, then maybe wait a few weeks and get another 10?]

Where can i get some KNO3 (if i need any)

The site you gave me said i should dose with fertilizers but you said it wasnt nessicary for the plants. What should i do?

I might sound like a wuss but i am petrified....... Too confusing lol.....
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Relative Newb opinion

I haven't been at this for very long, so one of the old pros may correct me, but here goes:

Unless tetras are all you plan on having in that tank, I wouldn't start with them as they are not the hardiest of fish. (Maybe the von rio's are different, I dunno) Danio's would tolerate the minor ammonia/nitrite spike of a cycling planted tank much better. Also, I wouldn't start with ten fish. Lower bioload = less ammonia/nitrite during cycling, start with two danios unless you dislike danios.

If you're going to dose CO2 (excel), you should also fertilize. Even without CO2, you would be able to grow more species if you fertilize. Buy ferts at www.aquariumfertilizer.com (cheap, cheap, cheap and used by many on this forum), see dosing sticky for help. I just got mine and will start dosing my non-CO2 33gal. tonight. (I know what you mean about confused/petrified) [Crosses self and puts on lab goggles]
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Cheap, Cheap, Cheaper is: Rex at-- www.bestaquariumregulator.com

Dry ferts are cheap. A yrs supply on Your tank should be -$30shipped. Check out the list I posted in the: correcting-my-many-mistakes Thread--Post #6:

1/2lb KH2P04---(P)
1lb of KN03----(N)
2lbs K2S04-----(K)
1lb of CSM+B--(micros)

You can add any and all Plants immediately--they will help/prevent the cycle. They absorb the NH4/N02 directly. The more plants--the better. Faster growers are better at this point and can be swapped out with the plants You actually want later--after things settle down and mature. Someone here at the SNS maybe able to send You some Hyrgo. p. or other weed on the cheap.

Seachem's Stability is a great product for building the bacterial colony. Its just Bacteria--so it cannot be "Over-dosed"--So, justOver-dose it! Just make sure You dose it at least 24hrs before a WC--that way the bacteria have the opportunity to find a "Home" and don't end up going down the drain.

I have no idea how Your 108 watts T5 lights with TEK reflectors translates into WPG, but would assume that it will equal 2wpg or less. That's Good. Low(er)-light is a Good starting point. With that quality of lighting--I would guess that You will need to do some fert dosing.

You can run DIY C02 on that tank--especially with the lower light. Just use the 1gal jugs, double the recipe, etc as per the other thread.

The silica play sand may give you algae problems--maybe not. You'll just have to wait and see. Many folks use sand without any problems. I would say though that from my experience and comments from others that if its the Home Depot play sand--it'll probably give you trouble--just MO.


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My only point regarding the ferts was that most of those plants are fairly low maintenance and I grew all of them without the aid of CO2 or ferts (with the exception of the root tabs I mentioned and fish poop) but, everything can always flourish with the addition of both. Sorry for the confusion.
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ok thanks all, buying plants today (buy 2 get 1 free sale) and i will order dry ferts tonight.

I am saving up for a pressurized CO2 unit,when i get the CO2 unit i may buy some more lights, maybe add another tube of T5 or something.

i should probably say 1.5 wpg, my tank is to white with the 10,000k, may switch to 6,700k. but my mom likes the white....
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Ok i bought hornwort, java moss, an other unidentified moss, a banana plant and an onion plant.

The banana and onion plant were for free since i was friends with one of the employees at the lfs.

Plan on getting more the next few days.

Can hornwort be rooted or does it have to be floating?
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Pictures of my progress

Day 1:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/musho321/75g.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ho321/75g2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ho321/75g3.jpg

Day 2:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ho321/75g4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ho321/75g7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ho321/75g6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...75glights3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...75glights2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../75glights.jpg

Day 6:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../clear75g2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...1/clear75g.jpg

Day 8:
Lights (no flash), 5,000k T5 linear only:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../tank5000k.jpg
T5 linear 10,000k only:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...tank10000k.jpg
Both lights together:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...tankbothks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nkbackshot.jpg


Plants:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../hornwort2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../hornwort1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...1/javamoss.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...onionplant.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...driftwoods.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ananaplant.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...gdriftwood.jpg

I have some unidentified moss that was sold to me with the java moss:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../unIDmoss3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../uniDmoss2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...1/unIDmoss.jpg

looks nice though

First life from the animal kingdom:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...o321/snail.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...321/snai2l.jpg


The cicada aftermath (nothing to do with plants or tanks but might as well include)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...askeletons.jpg
Yes they are all skeletons of cicadas.
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Creepy little monsters!!!

Yech! I can handle snakes, spiders, and most insects, but those fat little red eyed monsters give me the creeps.

I was in Chicago three weeks ago and even on I-294 with six lanes of bumper to bumper traffic, the cicadas were deafeningly louder than everything else. We sat out on a friends back deck with one hand over our cocktails and a badminton racket in the other.

Hey, did that MTS come as a hitch-hiker, or did you buy some?

BTW, I didn't do my dosing last night. I'm so bad about procrastinating when I'm not sure what I'm doing, usually contrary to my best interests. Tonight for sure! You should check out Tom Barr's article on low light, near zero water change tanks on his website. This is what I'm trying to do.
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You'll definitely need a ton more plant mass if you're going to be able to both cycle your aquarium "silently" and avoid a huge algae outbreak. You mentioned that you had more coming, any chance you can grab about 100 or so stems of hygro or something from your friend at the LFS?

Whatever you put in there initially, you don't have to keep in the long run. Once the tank has established a little more, you can add more of the plants you really want.
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